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download them and then somehow played

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them back and that that's not really

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what is important here what is important

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and over again reviewing the event in my

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head while listening to it and listening

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to halt describe what was going on it

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was an incredible thing to do I would

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sit there you know on my couch and I

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would have all this reference material

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out and I was printing stuff and I'm

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listening to halt and and I'm taking

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notes you know it was it was remarkable

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and to have those audio recordings of an

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event going down as it did with the

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military it was just it was incredible

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for me and I was chasing down whatever I

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could find you know and I can assure you

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that seriously that up to that point I

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had read every single word that had been

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published on Rendlesham there was

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nothing else available somehow I got a

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copy of Bretton to Butler Dodd Street

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and Jenny Randall's book sky crash a

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cosmic conspiracy and that was about it

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I was all-in on Rendlesham I studied it

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I knew all of the characters and since

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then I've interviewed most of the

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original players who were in and around

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the forests and the base during the

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incidents which were not you know just

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one night but over three days back in

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late December of 1980 and John Burroughs

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is one of those og original gangsta

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witnesses and I have to discuss the

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event with him both in person and over

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the phone many many times

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I've also interviewed him a few times

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over the years and just when everyone

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thought that Rendlesham was pretty much

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on the record well you know what things

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have changed

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they have and I find John who wouldn't

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when you meet John in person and you

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talk to him you find him one of the most

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credible believable down-to-earth people

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on this planet he's just one of those

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guys and the last interview I did with

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John I thought that we pretty much had

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the best conversation anywhere on

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Rendlesham on the internet period dud it

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was just that was that was a lockdown

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moment he was he was in he was in the

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zone the conversation went where it

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needed to go and I thought that that was

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it and I thought that we could finally

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start to move on but over the last year

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friendships have broken down in the

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Rendlesham case new evidence has come

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forward and there's even a new

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documentary to be released later this

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year if you want to call it a

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documentary I haven't seen it yet and so

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I don't know exactly what's going on

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there's actors involved and and things

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so is it a film is it a documentary you

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know I don't know a documentary means

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documents but you know that's the very

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definition of it so you're bringing

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things forward so I don't know what the

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context is of the film but it's supposed

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to be released in May it's called Capel

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Green now on top of all of that back in

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December 2018 I don't know where I was

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but I picked up my phone I'm just like

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checking out the news and I seen this

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breaking news story and it was on I

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believe that was on RT and it was about

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dr. David Clarke a British UFO

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researcher reporting a claim that

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Rendlesham are you ready was a set up by

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the SAS the British as a revenge plot on

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the United States Air Force and

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according to this story in

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August of 1986 months before Rendlesham

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the SAS parachuted into RAF Woodbridge

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to test the security at the nuclear site

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all right now today it's pretty well

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established that there were nuclear

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weapons at Woodbridge but apparently

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back then it was top secret wasn't

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supposed to be as NATO and all kinds of

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other stuff so but that is according to

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this report and that the United States

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Air Force had recently upgraded their

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radar and detected the black parachutes

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of the SAS men as they descended to the

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base the SAS troops were interrogated

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and allegedly beaten up by the United

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States Air Force personnel with the

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ultimate insult that they were called

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the SAS unidentified aliens on putting

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that in quotes now to enact their

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revenge the SAS gave the United States

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Air Force their own version of an alien

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event now I'm quoting here from the

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article it says as December approached

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lights and color flares were rigged in

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the woods black helium balloons were

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also coupled to remote-controlled kites

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to carry suspended materials into the

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sky activated by radio controls so what

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does that say and for for all of us here

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in the UFO community you read something

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like this is this something else that

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has been released to further cloud

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Rendlesham for us to jump up and say hey

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here's another example of the man trying

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to cover up something that really

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happened in the forest that night you

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know I I don't know I don't know or is

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it somebody that's just making all of

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this up there were some comments from

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the the lead commander of the United

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States side and he said nah that's all

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made up it never happened so I don't

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know but it's interesting to me to have

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this alleged incident up here on the

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front page of

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Russia today and other news outlets

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again bringing up Rendlesham there are

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even more developments that we'll be

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discussing tonight with our guest John

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burrows as we try to get to the last

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word on Rendlesham there is a couple of

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things tonight that John is gonna

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discuss some of it has been out there

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already somewhat and there's other

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information tonight that has never been

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discussed live on the air and we're

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gonna do all of that with John and I

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will say this once again I have 25 years

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invested into Rendlesham and just what I

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thought that I've figured it all out and

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I was comfortable with what John has

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personally that I'm you know that I

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understand what what went on and it

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seems to be not the case so we're gonna

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whistleblowers tomorrow that's what

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Darryl ANCA Bashar yeah that's Monday on

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fade to black okay tonight is John

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burrows John entered the United States

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Air Force in 1979 and served 27 years

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both in active and reserve duty he is

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currently the United States Air Force

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Reserve retired or retired from the Air

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Force Reserves John added various

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assignments throughout his Air Force

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career some of these assignments were at

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Luke Air Force Base Osan Air Force Base

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Grissom Air Force Base that's Indiana

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right Castle Air Force Base with the

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reserve assignments at davis-monthan Air

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Force Base prime prime beef it's

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Williams Air Force Base Reese Air Force

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Base Luke Air Force Base and as been on

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many deployments from Italy to the

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Middle East most notable assignment

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though was in 1979 when he was assigned

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as a security police law enforcement

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patrolman at RAF Bentwaters England to

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him base with RAF Woodbridge together

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they amassed the largest Tactical

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Fighter Wing in the United States Air

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Force in the early morning hours of

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December 26 1980 while working law

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enforcement patrol at RAF Woodbridge he

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had

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that singular life-changing event where

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he conducted an investigation on a

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phenomenon which has left the rest of

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the world in awe of one of the most

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documented and witness sightings by

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United States military in known history

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I would like to welcome back to fade to

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black our good friend John Burroughs

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John good evening man how are you thanks

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to me glad to be back and things are

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going well even though it's raining and

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I see here yeah you know and and welcome

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back to the program and before we get

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started here how was your New Year's how

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was your Christmas it was good you know

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boring but good I mean nothing nothing

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spectacular you know like what happened

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38 years ago yeah you know what's funny

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I was sitting here thinking you and I

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over the years have amassed I don't know

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how many hours of phone calls right that

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we have logged in with each other trying

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to figure out this this situation with

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Rendlesham and you and I haven't talked

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since you were last on the air a year

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ago and I don't know how that happened

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John missed our phone calls and it's

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been busy has it been busy time in UFO

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and I guess yeah you know and it's just

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one of those things and I just thought

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wow that's that doesn't seem right but

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12 months can get you know get away from

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it's really quick so welcome back to the

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program and I wanted to ask you before

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we get started a couple of things the

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United States Air Force and this is

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unrelated to Rendlesham okay so I'm

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gonna catch you off guard here and the

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United States Air Force their military

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police is called the security force

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correct

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well security police back when I first

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came in but as I was transitioning out

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it would have been around 2000 they

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changed the security forces right

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security forces now we're in the middle

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of this government shutdown and I

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started to think about this over the

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last week I'm was thinking about area 51

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right now that is an Air Force Base I

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believe that the Air Force is running

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the

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whoever else who is running those black

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projects out there so on what do you

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that what do you know is the United

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States Air Force security force on base

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is that who would be patrolling area 51

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what's your best guess there well yeah

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definitely up until when I got out the

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Air Force was the main security behind

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the base itself but they did have

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government contractors also working

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there but what's happened since I got

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out in six I mean I can't tell you a

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hundred percent

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but there's no doubt anywhere you have

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an Air Force installation you're gonna

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have Air Force security people on it and

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so this is this is how my polluted mind

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works right so I'm suni you're thinking

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the government shutdown we've got issues

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with TSA in the prisons and everything

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else right furloughed employees do you

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think that the camo dudes that are

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patrolling outside of the perimeter of

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area 51 are those dudes furloughed right

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now is there a security force outside of

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area 51 well I think that would come

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under essential personnel that the

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government did in furlough you know what

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I mean right and the funny thing is is

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people don't realize that if you get

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furloughed at least you can draw in an

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appointment so you may not be getting

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full pay but at least you're getting

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something so the guys that are having to

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work and not give you pay they can't

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draw an employment that that's just

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wrong right it's wrong it's wrong and so

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this is the I think this is the best

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time to go crash the gates man let's go

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out there and see what's going on okay

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go go have some fun I wouldn't want to

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do that

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you know I'm just saying what you know

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you know with all of the land grabs that

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they did you know Picabo and and all of

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the ridges out there around area 51 it

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you know who's monitoring that right now

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I don't know oh it's being monitored

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yeah they be monitoring that yeah oh

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you're crushing me I was thought of

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sorry well you know the way to find out

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is on your busy schedule maybe not this

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weekend but if it's still going on the

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week after go up there and find out

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that's what I said last night

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on the air you know I can't do it this

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weekend but next weekend road trip man

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let's hit take a road trip to put my toe

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in that pond you know and see what

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happens yeah okay now next thing that I

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want to get out of the way I was

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thinking about this too as well is do

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you have a fade to black shirt no I

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don't never got one I think you were

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gonna try to give me one when I was down

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in Roswell and came on but you ran out

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of 2x okay so it's 2x because you would

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be the biggest billboard that I could I

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could imagine and so there you go

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because I remember that conversation so

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it didn't happen is what you're saying

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we've got a catchy one because there you

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go okay my last stupid question before

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we get started

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did you ever play basketball yeah I

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played basketball I coach basketball tis

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so and why because how tall are you uh

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Air Force officially listed me at 79

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inches which is six six foot six six

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foot okay I didn't think you were that

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short okay so six foot six it was there

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a career did you have a jump shot did

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you did you have a possibility of a

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career in basketball well let's just say

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I had an interesting run at basketball I

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got hurt my senior year in high school I

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hurt my back pretty bad and it took me a

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while to recover from that and instead

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of hanging around or waiting and going

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to college I joined the Air Force so

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that kind of killed any chance of ever

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going to college and going further with

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it you know because I'm six foot and I

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remember I knew that you were tall and I

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remember the first time that we met I

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wasn't prepared for that

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I seriously you say six six I'm going

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six seven six eight

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but yeah you know with my jump shot if I

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had your height I'd be in high that's

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where I would go there's no doubt about

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it okay now let's let's move on okay

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there is I'm gonna start with the latest

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and then we're gonna go straight to

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December 26th 1980 after that but last

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month there was this article that was

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is released and I caught it on RT about

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this dr. Clark that says he's debunked

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Rendlesham that it was a big prank put

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on by the SAS because you guys went and

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beat up some of their paratroopers

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during an interrogation so they wanted

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to pull a prank on you guys and it was

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done with kites and balloons and

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radio-controlled this and that did you

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see the article well yeah and honestly

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not to not to be was what I mean the

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article if you read it from beginning to

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finish Clark scoffed at that at the end

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of the article yum Dave Clark's an

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interesting guy if you want to spend a

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few minutes on him because the listeners

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might want to know a few things about

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what he's done with Rendell's from and

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other things well so what what was

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what's your response to that is there a

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possibility that all of this was just a

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giant prank by the SAS no and if you

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read the article from gain in he even

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says it wasn't it was something that

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he's actually intrigued by the fact that

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he was contacted about that because he's

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done a lot of FOIA not just on

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Rendlesham but a lot of stuff right and

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for the longest time he was more of a

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skeptic and he's still not on board with

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the fact that aliens of visit us or

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Reynolds from was alien based but he's

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done enough FOIA and done enough things

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that he's come to realize that the

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debrief government's hiding something

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and I think that's the reason behind

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this in other words you've got an

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anonymous source coming forward with

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this story and it feels like it was

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written to get out there to you know

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dismiss Rendell's him in general and I

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am when I see something like that John

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my initial reaction is okay they are

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trying to cover something up right this

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is what they are doing and that's right

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that's the way it hit me right and not

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only that but the backstory on David

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Clarke was a nice pretty harsh on him

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because I work I tried to work with him

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a little bit because he actually reached

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out

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the base commander at the time of our

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incident Colonel Conrad right and had an

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interesting conversation with him and

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through David Clarke I actually met with

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Conrad and talked to him and Clarke

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tried to downplay what Conrad said by

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not putting everything that Conrad

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responded to him on and I called him on

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this and then there was another part

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where I did a lot of FOIA with the

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British government and they admitted

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they were holding files that you know

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they'd already said they had released

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them all and David Clarke was part of

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the final you know the one they said

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they released them all and Clarke kind

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of poo-pooed me on that and then I come

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to find out later why he is a major

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thorn in the British government ant side

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and he does tons of FOIA and when he was

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brought in to come out with the final

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files he already knew there were files

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well let's just say he was told these

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files are gonna be released and they

534
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weren't and so what he did was from the

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day he got my egg on his face with the

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fact that he knew personally that those

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files hadn't been released he's been a

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major thorn in their side and to say

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that well he could be lying no I've saw

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the emails I saw he gave me everything

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on on what one took place with the

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British government and there's a court

543
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:25,289
that at the end of the day when they

544
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,419
were strolling him on these final files

545
00:25:32,509 --> 00:25:30,059
that I found out about that he took it

546
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,519
to the highest court and what ended up

547
00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:35,039
happening was they released the files to

548
00:25:38,629 --> 00:25:36,479
him but they still haven't publicly

549
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:38,639
released them to the rest of the public

550
00:25:43,129 --> 00:25:41,940
so he's got the files because if it

551
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,139
would have went to the court it would

552
00:25:46,999 --> 00:25:45,179
have become major news and it would have

553
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,009
looked again like what are they hiding

554
00:25:51,019 --> 00:25:49,200
or what are they covering so he's got

555
00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:51,029
the files but they still haven't

556
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:52,679
released the files to the public if you

557
00:26:00,759 --> 00:25:57,450
can believe that okay this is where we

558
00:26:05,299 --> 00:26:00,769
are gonna jump back to December 26th

559
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,309
1980 I want everybody to know hashtag

560
00:26:10,999 --> 00:26:08,340
f2b queue is where I want everybody to

561
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:11,009
post their questions for John tonight

562
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:14,129
anything that you have that you've had

563
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:16,049
on your mind about Rendlesham and you

564
00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:18,930
want that question answered

565
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:21,300
post it there now look there is the

566
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:22,740
possibility here that we're gonna have

567
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:25,650
one or two hundred questions posted up

568
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:27,930
there I obviously can't get to all of

569
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:29,610
those in two hours two and a half hours

570
00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:33,150
but I post them there and I will we'll

571
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:38,040
get to them let's start with the very

572
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:41,280
basic basic and then we're gonna move

573
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:44,610
forward through all of this what were

574
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,450
you doing before you were notified on

575
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:49,380
December 26th

576
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:52,710
were you on patrol yeah I was it was a

577
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,070
last-minute night shift we worked

578
00:27:01,880 --> 00:26:58,020
through Swing stream it's the swing

579
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:01,890
shifts were from 3 to 11 or 1500 to 2300

580
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:04,710
and the midnight shifts were 2300 207

581
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:06,540
hundred and we were on our final

582
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:08,490
midnight shift so we actually came on

583
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:12,210
duty Christmas night at 2300 and around

584
00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:15,390
Oh 300 on the 26 which is Boxing Day in

585
00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:18,270
the UK we were I was on patrol with my

586
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:20,070
supervisor we were driving around he was

587
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:21,990
new database and we were just driving

588
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:23,250
around getting to know each other

589
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:24,810
talking about different things and his

590
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:27,270
philosophies and stuff and as we were

591
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:29,490
going down to do a check down at the

592
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:31,140
back part of the base where the east

593
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:32,730
gate was but that was one of the things

594
00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:34,410
we were supposed to check on he saw

595
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:37,560
something strange in the sky now so you

596
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:42,390
were part of that Patrol yes okay and so

597
00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:48,930
as you were downed by East Gate there

598
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:51,420
were things in the sky did you see

599
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:53,570
anything

600
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,220
down into Rendlesham I personally didn't

601
00:28:03,770 --> 00:28:01,260
he did that's what he initially saw and

602
00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:03,780
then when he got my attention because

603
00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:06,060
I'd been there a year and a half and the

604
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:08,040
gate wasn't normally open at night but

605
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:09,810
then on alerts and other things it would

606
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:12,090
be um and I've been down there you know

607
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,550
I was so in patrol and on the gate

608
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:16,860
during alerts and stuff and he just said

609
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,870
hey I just saw something come down and

610
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:21,360
there it is in the forest have you ever

611
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:22,770
seen anything like that and I took a

612
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:24,930
look I said no I haven't no I've never

613
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:26,250
seen anything like that out in the

614
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,950
forest you know you know and he said oh

615
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:29,900
and

616
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:35,360
we would go up base which is not what we

617
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:36,800
really were supposed to do we're not

618
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:39,050
telling anybody but it was one of those

619
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:40,970
things where what is it what's going on

620
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:43,370
and let's take a closer look before we

621
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,650
say anything and opened up the gate went

622
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:47,120
down to the end of the road that would

623
00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:49,610
have teed either you weren't right to

624
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:51,320
one of the villages or you want left

625
00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:53,990
towards Bentwaters and he did a little

626
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:56,059
bit of a u-turn and I jumped out and you

627
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,410
could still see the lights it was more

628
00:29:02,020 --> 00:28:59,120
like a white light that was in the force

629
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:02,030
with some little colored lights in the

630
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:04,190
forest I always said earlier on when I

631
00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:06,170
was asked more specifically about it was

632
00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:07,790
it looked like a Christmas light display

633
00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:09,380
different colored lights within the big

634
00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:13,880
white light and and there was a static

635
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:16,160
electricity in the air and I don't know

636
00:29:19,390 --> 00:29:17,690
if you've ever experienced a Jimmy but

637
00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:19,400
have you ever just been in an area where

638
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:21,400
all of a sudden you just feel like uh-uh

639
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:25,040
you know this ain't right and there's

640
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,470
something here that feels a little out

641
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:29,360
of place and I don't want to call it a

642
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:30,890
major threat but you just don't feel

643
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:32,030
right you don't feel comfortable you

644
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:34,910
want to get out of there so turn around

645
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:37,010
and race back up to the to the gate and

646
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:38,900
got to the gate Shack which was right

647
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:40,790
there and it's a direct line to the law

648
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:42,290
enforcement desk and we called it in

649
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:43,700
that we had something strange going on

650
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:45,410
in the forest okay I'm outside the

651
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:46,970
perimeter so let me stop you right there

652
00:29:56,049 --> 00:29:52,910
for a second the the lighthouse you have

653
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,059
been on base for how long at the year

654
00:30:02,410 --> 00:29:58,640
and a half year and a half so were you

655
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:02,420
aware of the lighthouse okay that's what

656
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:04,550
I've always said we knew there was a

657
00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:05,929
lighthouse out there we were near the

658
00:30:13,150 --> 00:30:09,380
coast um you could not see the

659
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:13,160
lighthouse from the east gate so and and

660
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:17,210
so I want to be clear here you know you

661
00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:18,950
have the forest in one direction the

662
00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:21,950
lighthouse is slightly in the other

663
00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:23,240
direction but you know where the

664
00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:26,900
lighthouse is and so you knew at that

665
00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:30,440
point you weren't confusing anything you

666
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:32,179
saw something in the woods you didn't

667
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:34,700
see it descend right well he did he

668
00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:37,370
sought to say no he's going to say yes

669
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,070
he saw it yeah he saw something coming

670
00:30:43,539 --> 00:30:42,440
down into the forest and that's as he

671
00:30:45,639 --> 00:30:43,549
saw it he got my

672
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:45,649
and then you could see it I could see it

673
00:30:49,659 --> 00:30:47,330
in the force once he got my attention

674
00:30:53,109 --> 00:30:49,669
yeah and so I want to point to be clear

675
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:53,119
here and for me included at no point and

676
00:31:00,220 --> 00:30:57,350
this was was his contact was this what

677
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:00,230
who was this that was with you oh that

678
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:01,970
was Sergeant Stefan oh that was Stefan

679
00:31:06,669 --> 00:31:05,210
okay so you never said to Stefan eight

680
00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:06,679
you know what that's that could be the

681
00:31:10,479 --> 00:31:08,840
lighthouse no because because that's

682
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:10,489
what I'm saying you could not see the

683
00:31:15,009 --> 00:31:12,169
lighthouse from the escape there was

684
00:31:16,899 --> 00:31:15,019
whatever we were seeing in the forest

685
00:31:19,299 --> 00:31:16,909
and what I was looking at was something

686
00:31:22,239 --> 00:31:19,309
I had never seen the entire time I had

687
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,249
ever been stationed there both you know

688
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,840
at night you know and I've been on the

689
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:25,279
gate numerous times at night for

690
00:31:30,129 --> 00:31:27,470
different things and that was nothing

691
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:30,139
that was ever seen there prior to what

692
00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:32,570
we were looking at at that point so if

693
00:31:35,289 --> 00:31:34,100
I'd have been on the gate before and the

694
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,299
lighthouse could be seen from there

695
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:37,039
which it couldn't have been I would have

696
00:31:41,019 --> 00:31:38,450
known yes it was a lighthouse

697
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,029
now could you at this point and this is

698
00:31:47,259 --> 00:31:44,559
again before you went and called it in

699
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:47,269
you're looking into a dark forest at

700
00:31:53,259 --> 00:31:51,529
night could you see forest beyond the

701
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:53,269
lights in other words could you kind of

702
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:55,220
triangulate in your own mind's eye that

703
00:32:00,159 --> 00:31:57,289
this is inside of the force and not on

704
00:32:02,609 --> 00:32:00,169
the backside or or closer to the ocean

705
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:02,619
did you know were you able to do that

706
00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:06,529
not really because initially when we got

707
00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:09,320
down there it was like the light was

708
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:11,419
kind of farther back you know you could

709
00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:13,940
see it deeper into the forest right but

710
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:15,799
as we got down to the end of the road

711
00:32:19,259 --> 00:32:17,570
and made a u-turn I jumped out it looked

712
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:19,269
like the light started coming towards us

713
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:21,830
okay so now you go and you call it in

714
00:32:26,619 --> 00:32:25,129
now right this is the thing I don't know

715
00:32:28,509 --> 00:32:26,629
I don't know if anybody wants to make

716
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:28,519
this call right you don't want to be the

717
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:31,220
guy that's gonna say hey you know a UFO

718
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:34,340
just landed in the forest and we're

719
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,809
outside of the gate but you did so when

720
00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:41,200
you reported it what did you say

721
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:45,409
well we call I called it in um and just

722
00:32:48,909 --> 00:32:48,289
said crash it was okay I'll set the

723
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:48,919
stage okay

724
00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:51,080
it was Christmas night it was the end of

725
00:32:54,609 --> 00:32:52,190
a long shift

726
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:54,619
you know the six-day cycle which is it's

727
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:56,450
wearing your tired brother that last

728
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,210
night

729
00:33:00,739 --> 00:32:59,159
you know you know people away from home

730
00:33:02,989 --> 00:33:00,749
there were it was a little bit more

731
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:02,999
relaxed attitude that night that normal

732
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:05,369
well one of the frequencies we had three

733
00:33:08,959 --> 00:33:07,049
they were playing some Christmas music

734
00:33:11,719 --> 00:33:08,969
and taking requests and playing music on

735
00:33:14,629 --> 00:33:11,729
one of the frequencies the other two

736
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:14,639
main nets were you know normal and so I

737
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,710
called in the fact that something

738
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:19,679
strange was going on outside right

739
00:33:24,019 --> 00:33:22,019
outside the back gate in the forest well

740
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:24,029
the guy the desk sergeant and I had a

741
00:33:28,729 --> 00:33:26,190
history of I play practical jokes on him

742
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,739
so I didn't say it was the alien year

743
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:30,299
for any I just said Christ's not the

744
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:31,529
words going on

745
00:33:35,539 --> 00:33:33,330
you know I explained what Stefan saw

746
00:33:37,729 --> 00:33:35,549
something came down into the forest arm

747
00:33:39,709 --> 00:33:37,739
there's something in the forest it's

748
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,719
still there you know I tried to describe

749
00:33:42,859 --> 00:33:41,580
what we were seeing and he didn't

750
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,869
believe me he thought I was yanking his

751
00:33:46,489 --> 00:33:44,279
chain he thought I was playing a

752
00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:46,499
practical joke Christmas night and he

753
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,669
just was kind of like yeah right

754
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,200
whatever I said seriously here you're

755
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:51,659
Stefan's Stefan's was new and you know

756
00:33:55,639 --> 00:33:54,210
he barely knew him - but Stefan's tried

757
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,649
to explain to him you just wouldn't

758
00:34:00,589 --> 00:33:58,019
believe us so he transferred us to CSC

759
00:34:02,989 --> 00:34:00,599
and that's when we got you know the

760
00:34:05,989 --> 00:34:02,999
Comptroller and you know and and this is

761
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:05,999
the guy that ran CSE and we started to

762
00:34:12,049 --> 00:34:09,690
reacquaint was going on so at that point

763
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:12,059
that's when things got stranged in our

764
00:34:17,029 --> 00:34:15,480
minds because we just said look Stefan

765
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:17,039
said he saw something coming down into

766
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:18,690
the forest it was there something was

767
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,750
there we don't know what it is and um

768
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,700
what do you want to do about it we were

769
00:34:27,049 --> 00:34:25,679
just reporting it in and that's when

770
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,059
they called for the security supervisor

771
00:34:32,419 --> 00:34:30,419
to come down and well uh it's always the

772
00:34:35,419 --> 00:34:32,429
cringe moment where we're sitting there

773
00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:35,429
it's quiet nothing's going on on either

774
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:38,190
base everybody's just kind of nestled in

775
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:40,470
to get the night over and then across

776
00:34:45,379 --> 00:34:43,619
the radio comes out security control - I

777
00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:45,389
forget the callsign of the patrol

778
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:48,349
respond down to the east gate code -

779
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:53,129
police four and five reporting a UFO BAM

780
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:57,990
and then we were just like now right

781
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,890
right right

782
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:00,900
and we've got about two minutes to the

783
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,190
break so I have to ask you and and I've

784
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:08,099
wanted to ask you this many times before

785
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:11,900
do you think that there was

786
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:14,450
any possibility of something that was

787
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:17,870
caught on radar that this first report

788
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,330
of UFO because it hadn't been mentioned

789
00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:22,880
yet that possibly they knew that

790
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,360
something was seen descending look we're

791
00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:27,920
talking about a nuclear installation

792
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:29,060
we're talking about you know the largest

793
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,030
fighter wing a very important NATO base

794
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:34,160
and probably the most important NATO

795
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:36,920
base right well that's the whole point

796
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:39,740
see um we can come back to the whole

797
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,200
story but ultimately when the scare soup

798
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:44,960
showed up sergeant Penniston and he saw

799
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:46,490
the same thing we were seeing and he got

800
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:48,110
on the phone and start talking to CSC

801
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:50,300
they started making phone calls to radar

802
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:52,970
installations Eastern our radar and

803
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:55,700
everything else and the reason why we

804
00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:57,500
were even allow cuz this was off base

805
00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:59,180
now this wasn't on base and it wasn't

806
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:01,220
right on our fence line the reason why

807
00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:02,570
we were allowed to go out there is

808
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,760
because radar confirmed an object in

809
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:06,860
that area that disappeared on radar and

810
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:09,590
because it was in the forest the shift

811
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:11,330
commander was under the impression maybe

812
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something crashed in the forest and

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because of the fact that we were it was

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close enough to the base that we could

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go out and investigate and at the same

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time they did contact the Bernese Police

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Department you know and the Brees Fire

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Department also so that's the only

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reason why we left base in the first

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place is because of the radar something

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disappeared on radar now we're gonna

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head towards a break

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so it's Penniston that shows up next

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right okay now at that point from your

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position were you still observing the

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lights in the forest yeah they were

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there they were there the whole time

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when all the phone calls were going on

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the decision-making was taking place it

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was still there in the forest yeah and

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what I'm trying to understand here is

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while you were calling it in you could

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still observe the lights

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Penniston now shows up you guys are

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still on location Europe still observing

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the lights he's saying the same things

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that you are did anything change from

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the first moment that you saw the lights

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- when Penniston arrived they move did

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they get closer to anything when we got

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down to the road they started to come a

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little bit closer towards the main road

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where we were at but at that point they

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kind of just it just stayed in that

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general vicinity you know what I mean

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there was you know

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there was different coloring lights in

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it and it never really it never showed

849
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itself we never could make clear

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identification on what it was at that

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point I didn't era at any time until we

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finally got closer in the florists

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now there's electricity in the air we've

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got 45 seconds John there's electricity

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in the air at what point did you start

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to get to the holy crap feeling when we

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got up close to it okay okay so you're

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still you're still you're still

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reasonably yourself at this point and so

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is Penniston well for me personally I

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was intrigued by what is going on

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you know I there was something that like

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changing me a little bit it went from I

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wasn't scared at that point I just

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wanted to know what it was because it

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just didn't make any sense what we were

867
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seeing or what was going on and I really

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wanted to get out there to try to figure

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out what it was all right let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black

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tonight John Burroughs is here and we're

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gonna try to put a fork in Rendlesham

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John are you down for this let's go for

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your questions right there and our guest

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tonight is John Burroughs and I've

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called this show the last word on

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Rendlesham I doubt that there will ever

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be a last word in John our last show

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that we did a year ago I thought you

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know it was an excellent show I think

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that you know we just got everything out

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and that would be it you know if it's

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like a reference book its reference

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material for everybody got any questions

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go listen to that show and I think John

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presented it a fair and balanced and it

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was an excellent show and here we are a

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year later talking about it again and

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we've got so many different things that

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are breaking right now on Rendlesham now

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what I wanted to ask you was this the

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electricity in the air that you were

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describing I can imagine almost like

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you're at a rock concert and it's the

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anticipation of you know the band

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hitting the stage you know it's it's

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this thing you know that it that is

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there we were you at any point you guys

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thought that there was a possibility

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that this was a downed aircraft

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you've got UFO now being mentioned on

1023
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the radios did that change the dynamic

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of everything was the excitement level

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starting to go up a little bit as the

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band was about to hit the stage well I

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mean each you know I can't speak for

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Penniston or Caban Zak but for me I just

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what what is it what are we what are we

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gonna find out there arm the aircraft

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coming down was just a theory they used

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you know that well you had radar contact

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something disappeared you can see

1034
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something in the forest of so we're

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gonna go see but the UFO thing is you

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know UFOs your terminology always melee

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is an alien or whatever just really what

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UFO is unidentified

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I fly an object you just don't want that

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labeled because people immediately think

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there's something more to it but no it

1042
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was just like let's go see you know and

1043
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we all jumped in the truck and we took

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off down towards the you know the forest

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into the forest where we were seeing the

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lights who was in the truck

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it was Penniston is it was a guy his

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first night ever working first you know

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he just came in the Air Force first base

1050
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first night working airmen Caban sac and

1051
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myself so it's the three of you are you

1052
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armed well there's been there's been a

1053
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lot of discrepancies over the years and

1054
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cap and sac is stated in interviews that

1055
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we were I was then I was armed now one

1056
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of the things that I remember both in my

1057
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hypnosis and actually when we were

1058
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getting close to it

1059
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Penniston did yell at me because he was

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in front of me to you know pull pull out

1061
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my revolver you know open up on it he

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was closest to it on the three of us I

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was in the middle

1064
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we were like an aligned staggered

1065
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formation and Caban sac said that I drew

1066
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my weapon and then we all blacked out

1067
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:40,690
okay well we'll get to that I don't want

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to get ahead of our skis here but so at

1069
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this point you don't remember if the

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three of you were armed and the reason

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remember here our weapon opener

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Stephan's that's right I don't believe I

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was on ok because if you're off base if

1074
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you're on the other side of the fence

1075
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are you allowed to have carry sidearms

1076
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well the Dallas task force agreement we

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could go between bases with our weapons

1078
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,300
but if we went off base it had to be an

1079
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:13,119
immediate threat to go off base in the

1080
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:13,720
first place

1081
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,180
and to be armed and maybe have any kind

1082
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,119
of engagement so we that didn't fit the

1083
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:22,000
criteria so that's why what I remember

1084
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:24,310
was I know they didn't take their 16s

1085
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:26,440
with them and I remember I thought I'd

1086
00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:29,170
terminate 30 area over to stefan's - but

1087
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:32,260
Caban sacked and Penniston both believed

1088
00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:34,690
I was armed so there's a discrepancy

1089
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:36,820
right there from the beginning okay so

1090
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:39,369
you guys are tooling up the road you

1091
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:42,700
stop you get out what happens next well

1092
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:44,710
we went down the road we went into the

1093
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:45,310
forest

1094
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:48,280
service track road and we went as far as

1095
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:49,750
we could before we couldn't go any

1096
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:51,640
farther in the vehicle with the terrain

1097
00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:55,030
and we jumped out of the vehicle and it

1098
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:00,310
now this is like in Ed's never said a

1099
00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:02,770
lot he did one major interview with

1100
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:06,790
James Fox but there's a lot of memory

1101
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:07,600
issues

1102
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:11,380
on certain things from myself from both

1103
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:14,530
nights but what what I remember is this

1104
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,790
we got out of the vehicle

1105
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:18,760
yeah we we were going into the forest it

1106
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:20,230
was definitely back farther in the

1107
00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:22,270
forest now you know what I mean in other

1108
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,030
words whatever the main thing was that

1109
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:27,520
we eventually got to was deeper in the

1110
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:28,930
forest but though there was still a

1111
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:30,910
white light in the forest but we were

1112
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,700
tracking where the light the source of

1113
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:35,920
the light was as we were going into the

1114
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:37,870
forest and the vehicle then we got out

1115
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:40,540
of the vehicle and started to go in on

1116
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:42,550
foot like an align staggered formation

1117
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:45,910
towards the area where we we thought the

1118
00:49:50,430 --> 00:49:48,550
object or I call it object cuz what else

1119
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:50,440
can you call it or it ended up being

1120
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:53,410
what looked like lights to me but you

1121
00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:54,610
know we were heading towards one of the

1122
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,070
lights were and he got submitted at this

1123
00:50:00,930 --> 00:49:59,200
point how far you thought you were gonna

1124
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:00,940
walk I you know force are deceiving

1125
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:02,730
especially at night and in the dark but

1126
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:05,110
what were you thinking you were about

1127
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:06,570
how far you were about to walk

1128
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:09,130
everything changed I mean normally if

1129
00:50:14,070 --> 00:50:12,370
you're like you know on a football field

1130
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:14,080
or a basketball court or whatever you

1131
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:16,090
kind of take a look at it you sum up

1132
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:17,470
where you're going to do this was like

1133
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:18,790
boom we're going we got in the truck

1134
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:20,380
we're seeing it we're talking you know

1135
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,690
as far as like talking a little bit

1136
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:24,400
obviously what are we gonna do it's just

1137
00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:27,160
like that and then it just focused in on

1138
00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:30,820
it so no really idea how far it was into

1139
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:32,680
the U node into the forest once we got

1140
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:34,660
out or how far we were gonna have to go

1141
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:36,460
we just were heading towards whatever

1142
00:50:43,590 --> 00:50:39,220
this was I I know I've asked you this

1143
00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:43,600
before but before this night had you

1144
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:45,700
walked through the the forest had you

1145
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:49,530
ever just done it a leisurely stroll no

1146
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:52,780
there were two exercises one that I

1147
00:50:57,860 --> 00:50:55,900
completely forgot about that happened

1148
00:51:00,560 --> 00:50:57,870
prior to our incident and then there was

1149
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:00,570
one after the incident and the one prior

1150
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:03,270
and it's funny because the SAS stuff

1151
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:03,930
came up

1152
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:06,870
we were actually involved in exercises

1153
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:10,020
with British special forces and military

1154
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:12,930
and we were conducting exercises in the

1155
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:16,170
woods and around the old Woodbridge WUSA

1156
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:20,580
so I was in the forest prior to this for

1157
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,780
for an exercise on one occasion did what

1158
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:27,300
it did it help you did you have any idea

1159
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,370
where you were walking to I you know

1160
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:31,500
that no no not at all

1161
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:33,930
no not at all okay so you guys are

1162
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:36,540
walking towards this I'm you're really

1163
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:39,840
walking we were moving at a high rate of

1164
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,850
speed and and when you got into the

1165
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:43,980
thick forest there you had to slow down

1166
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:47,880
but you'd still be like the least the

1167
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:50,220
fast walk or you know as much as you

1168
00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:52,500
could go so we were moving pretty good

1169
00:52:00,260 --> 00:51:55,430
okay okay so you're on a good clip

1170
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:00,270
what's the conversation well there

1171
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:02,790
wasn't a lot once we got out and started

1172
00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:04,260
going towards it other than just like

1173
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:07,560
there it is or over there or you know it

1174
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:09,990
was just kind of a quick boom and and

1175
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:11,970
then Penniston had the radio and was

1176
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:14,610
trying to you know convey what was going

1177
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:17,610
on with CSC as we were moving towards it

1178
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:20,550
um if you read Buran statement in I

1179
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:22,590
believe Chandler's - he mentions it but

1180
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:24,690
I know at least one of them at one point

1181
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:27,930
we we seem to get we thought we were up

1182
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:29,910
on it and then it was behind us that's

1183
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,850
what the statement said they said when

1184
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,700
we're calling in on the radio but there

1185
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:37,680
it wasn't a lot of talking going on it

1186
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:39,870
was just moving towards it as quickly as

1187
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:41,670
possible so we could identify what it

1188
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,790
was and Penniston had the radios that

1189
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,220
because he was the sergeant yeah he was

1190
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:49,140
in charge okay and you didn't have a

1191
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:52,470
radio I don't believe I did I might have

1192
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:53,970
had I think you know it's hard to

1193
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:55,800
remember for sure I may have had my

1194
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,690
radio with me - I think maybe all three

1195
00:53:02,780 --> 00:53:00,900
of us did but if we did he would have

1196
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:02,790
been the one running being on there a

1197
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:06,240
deal not us and do you remember the

1198
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:08,210
object being behind you

1199
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:11,370
no I don't it was always in front of you

1200
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:13,890
I always remember it was in front of us

1201
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:16,230
and and then all of a sudden we came up

1202
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,660
upon it okay what happens next well we

1203
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:24,720
we got to an area it was like like berms

1204
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,010
or kind of hilly and it was like is you

1205
00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:32,160
kind of went up the hill it was the the

1206
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:34,320
light was in front and as we came up to

1207
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:37,950
the top of the berm there whatever it

1208
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:40,980
was was and we went down the berm and it

1209
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:43,530
was right in front of us it was like

1210
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:46,410
everything got really bright we all hit

1211
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:50,430
the ground and then what I remember was

1212
00:53:55,460 --> 00:53:53,370
it dimmed for briefly and they got

1213
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,470
really bright again and was going backed

1214
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:56,940
up and went out you know towards the

1215
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:00,180
coast okay this is uh this is a pretty

1216
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:03,900
serious moment here I mean it's it's

1217
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,530
just about as serious as it gets and

1218
00:54:12,110 --> 00:54:09,180
let's let's break this down

1219
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:12,120
so I know you guys are all like you said

1220
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:14,190
you guys are dead now on the ground and

1221
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:17,250
this object is in front of you were you

1222
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:19,890
I want to know exactly what you saw were

1223
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:21,690
you averting your eyes or did you have

1224
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:24,450
an opportunity to just just take it all

1225
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,110
in well it was really bright so it was

1226
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:31,020
really hard to see anything and when it

1227
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:33,420
dimmed down okay and this is where the

1228
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:36,300
memories who comes in I drew I wrote

1229
00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:37,980
about the first night I didn't write

1230
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,320
about the third night the statement they

1231
00:54:45,380 --> 00:54:42,420
didn't really want me to say much about

1232
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:45,390
the third night in my statement but they

1233
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:47,880
had me write a brief summary of what

1234
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:50,580
happened on the first night and then I

1235
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:54,540
drew as best I could and what what I

1236
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,050
drew and what I you know the best I

1237
00:55:02,810 --> 00:54:59,520
could describe it was like an oval

1238
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:02,820
orangish ball with blue lights around it

1239
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:05,550
and there was a white YZ or oranges hue

1240
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:08,130
that was around the orange ball and

1241
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:11,250
that's the best that I can you know that

1242
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:14,850
I saw for sure on the first night and it

1243
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:17,370
was basically quite about the same one I

1244
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:19,980
remember seeing on the third night other

1245
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:23,140
than this there was a bigger dome

1246
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:25,330
Hieu on the third night then there was

1247
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:30,850
on the first night now when was their

1248
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:34,360
conversation between you and Captain sag

1249
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:39,670
and in Penniston what happened yeah when

1250
00:55:45,330 --> 00:55:42,040
you guys know you guys hit the ground

1251
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:45,340
that's what I remember and then and then

1252
00:55:49,950 --> 00:55:48,130
it went disappeared it went up and you

1253
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:49,960
know was gone or backwards the Coast

1254
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:52,030
editor towards the coast and then we got

1255
00:55:58,110 --> 00:55:55,990
back up and I we went out into across

1256
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:58,120
the fence line from the forest into the

1257
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:59,590
farmer's field and started any outdoor

1258
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:01,900
to coast or you know the direction of

1259
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:06,370
went and we did see down towards the the

1260
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:08,620
cottages and stuff we saw something down

1261
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:11,410
there briefly and then we went down to

1262
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:13,420
there and then we went farther out went

1263
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:17,070
to another field and went farther out so

1264
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:21,910
when and I want you to just just get

1265
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:24,520
into the zone with me right here when

1266
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:28,050
you say that it took off

1267
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:31,450
did you see the underside of the craft

1268
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,250
did you see anything that would take you

1269
00:56:41,610 --> 00:56:39,000
off planet in your mind's eye you know

1270
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:41,620
no there was no there was no like a

1271
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:43,750
craft to me there was no you know it

1272
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:46,150
wasn't it wasn't like that it was it

1273
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:47,950
would have just been like maybe the over

1274
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:49,990
orange is light itself it just seemed

1275
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:52,870
like you know the white light bright dim

1276
00:56:59,100 --> 00:56:56,890
bright up and and so whatever the

1277
00:57:01,500 --> 00:56:59,110
contraption was or whatever it was

1278
00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:01,510
within the white light in the dome or

1279
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:03,340
whatever you want to call it it just

1280
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:06,790
seemed to go up and then shoot out deal

1281
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:07,720
away from us

1282
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,020
so the triangular angular aspect of

1283
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:15,880
Rendlesham was not revealed on night one

1284
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:18,730
that you can remember no there was no

1285
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:21,070
discussion of that ever I mean the

1286
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:23,050
triangular stuff never came up at all

1287
00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:27,400
that I remember nor did um because

1288
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:28,840
Penniston has a completely different

1289
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:31,390
account of what took place yes and and

1290
00:57:35,549 --> 00:57:34,810
at that point we we never we never

1291
00:57:38,699 --> 00:57:35,559
discussed

1292
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:38,709
or do I remember ever you know going

1293
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,209
over that with him the whole time and

1294
00:57:46,049 --> 00:57:43,119
you know his statement that was released

1295
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:46,059
is it doesn't say anything about it um

1296
00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:50,140
and it wasn't until the 90s when he

1297
00:57:54,539 --> 00:57:52,359
started getting into the triangular part

1298
00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:54,549
the glyphs and everything else and then

1299
00:57:59,789 --> 00:57:57,369
notebook and you know going forward he

1300
00:58:01,709 --> 00:57:59,799
expanded everything that he remembered

1301
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:01,719
or he said happened to him you know

1302
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,390
going forward but it was much later than

1303
00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:07,359
what went on what we what I remember he

1304
00:58:14,729 --> 00:58:09,400
I'm talking about I want to place at the

1305
00:58:17,609 --> 00:58:14,739
time were you guys time stamping you

1306
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:17,619
mean keeping track of the time yep we

1307
00:58:23,009 --> 00:58:20,529
didn't totally really until the end when

1308
00:58:26,759 --> 00:58:23,019
we got back in our watches were 45

1309
00:58:28,829 --> 00:58:26,769
minutes behind what the real Taiwan with

1310
00:58:30,269 --> 00:58:28,839
everybody else like Stefan's and

1311
00:58:33,449 --> 00:58:30,279
everybody that was bit what was like

1312
00:58:35,819 --> 00:58:33,459
what time is it and you know and you

1313
00:58:37,259 --> 00:58:35,829
know they said well this time and then

1314
00:58:38,999 --> 00:58:37,269
we looked at our watches and was like

1315
00:58:41,279 --> 00:58:39,009
you know it's kind of like one of those

1316
00:58:42,779 --> 00:58:41,289
simultaneous seems like we're buying you

1317
00:58:45,089 --> 00:58:42,789
know it's like because it was kind of

1318
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:45,099
like it seemed like it was later than it

1319
00:58:49,319 --> 00:58:47,049
was and we just wanted to confirm and

1320
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:49,329
there was a 45-minute difference so

1321
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:53,049
which you are suggesting here you know I

1322
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:54,609
know that you've had regression therapy

1323
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:56,529
and stuff but at this point were you

1324
00:59:05,849 --> 00:59:02,099
guys feeling like you were missing time

1325
00:59:08,249 --> 00:59:05,859
no really I mean we it was it's hard to

1326
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:08,259
explain to people that at that time

1327
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:10,390
frame in life it's a lot different than

1328
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:13,390
today with social media you know all the

1329
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:14,650
stuff has taken place

1330
00:59:19,949 --> 00:59:17,170
first of all UFOs was a taboo you didn't

1331
00:59:23,069 --> 00:59:19,959
want to be exposed to you know second of

1332
00:59:25,289 --> 00:59:23,079
all the technology that we saw or

1333
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:25,299
whatever we saw took place in our minds

1334
00:59:29,849 --> 00:59:27,910
it was hard to to say well there's

1335
00:59:33,029 --> 00:59:29,859
nothing that I know about in the

1336
00:59:35,279 --> 00:59:33,039
military scene or anything so we were

1337
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:35,289
just trying to what I remember was

1338
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:37,790
correlate and remember

1339
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:40,910
what how could we figure out what how

1340
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:43,910
are we gonna explain this and what are

1341
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:46,640
we gonna report exactly so when you guys

1342
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:49,460
get up off of the ground this light now

1343
00:59:56,910 --> 00:59:55,040
has ascended and and takes off what did

1344
00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:56,920
you guys say to each other I did

1345
01:00:01,330 --> 00:59:59,690
obviously you had a conversation well

1346
01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:01,340
that's where the whole discrepancy start

1347
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:03,350
besides the fact that you know he said

1348
01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:04,520
over the years different things took

1349
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:07,790
place prior to it leaving but he makes

1350
01:00:12,010 --> 01:00:09,890
it sound you're talking about Penniston

1351
01:00:14,020 --> 01:00:12,020
yeah before we got close to it

1352
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:14,030
Caban sack wasn't even with us and he

1353
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:17,480
was and I've talked to Ed about that he

1354
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:18,650
was with us the whole time

1355
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:22,130
we all went forward even further and if

1356
01:00:27,099 --> 01:00:25,100
you look at cabassa ex statement even

1357
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:27,109
says we did you know we got close to it

1358
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:30,140
and then we went out and went towards

1359
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,210
the coast towards it but Penniston

1360
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,160
sticks to the story that ed never was

1361
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,650
with us from he left him right at the

1362
01:00:40,990 --> 01:00:38,720
vehicle which isn't what happened and

1363
01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:41,000
then Penniston stories different about

1364
01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:42,380
what happened when we got close to it

1365
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:45,470
and then he does then go back to kind of

1366
01:00:51,550 --> 01:00:47,390
saying that him and I went further out

1367
01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:51,560
but ed wasn't with us so but what I

1368
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:53,869
remember was when it went away towards

1369
01:00:58,030 --> 01:00:56,150
towards you out towards you know the

1370
01:01:00,250 --> 01:00:58,040
coast we got up and started going

1371
01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:00,260
towards it you know and we just kept

1372
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:03,380
trying to get quicker out what it was or

1373
01:01:08,890 --> 01:01:06,020
even how could something do that how

1374
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:08,900
could it be in the trees move kind of in

1375
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:13,070
the trees then go up and leave and what

1376
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:16,550
what what you know what I mean it was it

1377
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:21,470
was edie command sack that said that you

1378
01:01:28,780 --> 01:01:25,280
drew your sidearm on this craft and at

1379
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:28,790
when he says that this happened was this

1380
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:31,250
one you guys were laying on the ground

1381
01:01:36,070 --> 01:01:33,350
facing when we got up close to it yeah

1382
01:01:38,109 --> 01:01:36,080
he says in a Fox interview I mean it was

1383
01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:38,119
a documentary day but it was called I

1384
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:41,300
know what I saw um he said in the

1385
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,010
interview he said we got close to it and

1386
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:45,680
then I remember Penniston yelling at me

1387
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:48,140
you know you know draw on it and then he

1388
01:01:51,099 --> 01:01:50,300
said I did and then all was just blacked

1389
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,109
out

1390
01:01:55,509 --> 01:01:53,359
that's what he remembers that all of you

1391
01:01:57,969 --> 01:01:55,519
blacked out and Cadell we all were took

1392
01:02:00,339 --> 01:01:57,979
us out it was like knock us out it could

1393
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:00,349
that have been that 45 minute period

1394
01:02:07,989 --> 01:02:03,249
I don't know I know I don't know I mean

1395
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,999
I remember when we got back there I

1396
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,920
remember some of the conversation with

1397
01:02:13,569 --> 01:02:11,420
the people that were there back where

1398
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:13,579
our vehicle was and up by the gate and

1399
01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:16,910
they were concerned and they they lost

1400
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:19,190
radio contact was for over 45 minutes

1401
01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:21,650
and they wanted to know what happened so

1402
01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:26,140
I really honestly don't know exactly

1403
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:29,390
where the 45 minutes comes into play

1404
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:31,940
overall other than they said that they

1405
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:34,880
lost radio contact for 45 minutes now at

1406
01:02:41,739 --> 01:02:38,089
this point are you now at the holy crap

1407
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:41,749
point of your frame of mind all from the

1408
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:43,729
moment we got close to it did what it

1409
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:45,859
did and then went out to the coast then

1410
01:02:49,989 --> 01:02:47,690
yeah I mean that's when everything

1411
01:02:54,370 --> 01:02:49,999
changed I mean it was like well wait and

1412
01:02:56,259 --> 01:02:54,380
it's not an aircraft or no not as far as

1413
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,269
I know and I was young in the Air Force

1414
01:03:01,539 --> 01:02:59,119
this had been around longer but it was

1415
01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:01,549
like there's nothing that I know that

1416
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:04,549
could do this and how do you explain

1417
01:03:11,439 --> 01:03:08,569
this and where did it just go and what's

1418
01:03:13,749 --> 01:03:11,449
going on and and you know let's see if

1419
01:03:16,449 --> 01:03:13,759
we can get a better idea and then when

1420
01:03:18,910 --> 01:03:16,459
we finally could and we came back how

1421
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:18,920
are we gonna explain this you know it's

1422
01:03:21,939 --> 01:03:21,440
kind of like oh yeah you know I know I

1423
01:03:25,779 --> 01:03:21,949
know

1424
01:03:29,499 --> 01:03:25,789
I wish I was there so so bad okay so

1425
01:03:30,999 --> 01:03:29,509
what now back to originally when you

1426
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,009
guys were outside of East Gate and you

1427
01:03:37,870 --> 01:03:33,440
could see the light in the forest you

1428
01:03:40,809 --> 01:03:37,880
leave Stephan's behind and now you guys

1429
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:40,819
are back with everybody I'm sure that

1430
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:43,369
you know there are more people there now

1431
01:03:47,499 --> 01:03:46,640
at this point did they see the light

1432
01:03:50,229 --> 01:03:47,509
ascend

1433
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:50,239
what were they reporting well now

1434
01:03:58,359 --> 01:03:53,839
according Penniston and because okay

1435
01:03:59,890 --> 01:03:58,369
when what I remember was a comment we

1436
01:04:02,160 --> 01:03:59,900
got back up we started meeting up with

1437
01:04:04,839 --> 01:04:02,170
these people and it's kind of like well

1438
01:04:07,450 --> 01:04:04,849
thank god there's NCOs

1439
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:07,460
because I was young airman and I'm not

1440
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:10,249
gonna say another he can explain this

1441
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:11,680
you know what I mean right

1442
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:14,150
he's the one in charge he took us out

1443
01:04:18,219 --> 01:04:16,069
there let him talk to the security

1444
01:04:21,819 --> 01:04:18,229
flight chief and let him do the talking

1445
01:04:24,099 --> 01:04:21,829
cuz I really don't want to say much and

1446
01:04:27,849 --> 01:04:24,109
I don't know what to say or how to say

1447
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:27,859
it so there was some questioning he

1448
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:31,609
claims that Chandler saw some things and

1449
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:33,410
there were some things that people saw

1450
01:04:38,529 --> 01:04:36,799
happen um under my hypnosis it goes

1451
01:04:40,539 --> 01:04:38,539
further to say that they saw some

1452
01:04:42,729 --> 01:04:40,549
strange things out when the area where

1453
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:42,739
we were they thought we were and even

1454
01:04:48,489 --> 01:04:45,880
some lighting and stuff in the sky so

1455
01:04:51,309 --> 01:04:48,499
yeah there was some conversation going

1456
01:04:53,710 --> 01:04:51,319
on but again most of that had to do with

1457
01:04:57,759 --> 01:04:53,720
what Penniston was talking to them about

1458
01:05:01,390 --> 01:04:57,769
I didn't say much I was kind of like

1459
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,400
well okay I'm glad I don't have to say

1460
01:05:04,989 --> 01:05:03,200
much right now I'm glad I'm not the one

1461
01:05:07,509 --> 01:05:04,999
having to explain this right right right

1462
01:05:11,709 --> 01:05:07,519
I can only imagine how tense the

1463
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:11,719
situation must have been and you guys at

1464
01:05:16,690 --> 01:05:14,809
this point you know pack it up and you

1465
01:05:18,339 --> 01:05:16,700
come back oh I don't know if you do

1466
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:18,349
we're gonna talk about that in just a

1467
01:05:22,749 --> 01:05:19,910
second but you guys returned a daybreak

1468
01:05:24,999 --> 01:05:22,759
the United States Air Force and go out

1469
01:05:27,099 --> 01:05:25,009
to the site and investigate right is

1470
01:05:29,259 --> 01:05:27,109
that the timing of everything well yeah

1471
01:05:31,150 --> 01:05:29,269
we the rest of shift there wasn't much

1472
01:05:32,469 --> 01:05:31,160
time left we in it we got relieved a

1473
01:05:34,299 --> 01:05:32,479
little bit later than normal that day

1474
01:05:37,329 --> 01:05:34,309
anyway and we got back we saw the shift

1475
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:37,339
commander we told him what we saw again

1476
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:39,380
mostly I said a couple things with

1477
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:41,210
Penniston again he was in charge you

1478
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:43,190
know let him talk about it let him

1479
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:47,359
explain it and so then the decision was

1480
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:48,710
made because we were going to head back

1481
01:05:52,299 --> 01:05:50,809
home because we all live down in the

1482
01:05:54,190 --> 01:05:52,309
same area I wrote back and forth to work

1483
01:05:57,069 --> 01:05:54,200
with them we went back out to the area

1484
01:05:59,410 --> 01:05:57,079
to take a look at the area and when we

1485
01:06:01,930 --> 01:05:59,420
got back out there there was some marks

1486
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,940
on the ground some damage to the trees

1487
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:04,400
some tree limbs from above and the

1488
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:06,710
canopy that we're down and you're kind

1489
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:08,870
of like looking around and like

1490
01:06:15,310 --> 01:06:11,570
now it's daytime and there's something

1491
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:15,320
there on top of what we saw so what was

1492
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:17,930
there and you know that's kind of what

1493
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:21,080
took place you know I was like okay we

1494
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:22,400
just went out there there was nothing

1495
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,130
there gonna like well I don't know but

1496
01:06:28,780 --> 01:06:27,200
then there was some Danny's and stuff

1497
01:06:31,390 --> 01:06:28,790
there that like well it looks like

1498
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:31,400
something was there you know now would

1499
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:35,090
you call this officially this is still

1500
01:06:41,770 --> 01:06:38,270
the 26th yeah it would have been about I

1501
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:41,780
think like Oh 830 in the morning on the

1502
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:45,470
26th yeah because when we get to the

1503
01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:48,920
evening that night which is the day

1504
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:52,150
that's in between the 26th and the 28th

1505
01:06:59,050 --> 01:06:56,690
there is a lot of reports of things also

1506
01:07:02,710 --> 01:06:59,060
happening on the evening of the 27th

1507
01:07:05,050 --> 01:07:02,720
correct well yeah the night of the 26th

1508
01:07:07,060 --> 01:07:05,060
which would have been Friday night D

1509
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:07,070
flight took over from swings they'd work

1510
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:09,620
swings all three days they were on meds

1511
01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:13,910
and overnight from then 2300 on the 26

1512
01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:16,340
into the morning or 27th there was an

1513
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:19,220
incident took place and when I'd went

1514
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:21,710
home and I was off in the middle of the

1515
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:23,780
night I woke up over like early morning

1516
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,400
like around 4:00 4:30 I felt like

1517
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:26,960
something strange may have happened

1518
01:07:31,030 --> 01:07:29,030
again so I got up and went up to the

1519
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:31,040
base I live downtown and when I got up

1520
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:32,810
to the desk it was before they got off

1521
01:07:36,910 --> 01:07:35,570
in the desk sergeant I knew him and he

1522
01:07:39,610 --> 01:07:36,920
says you're not gonna believe this was

1523
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:39,620
something happened again tonight and he

1524
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:41,150
told me a little bit about what went on

1525
01:07:46,090 --> 01:07:43,460
and that was kind of kept quiet over the

1526
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:46,100
years until a few years ago halt did

1527
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:47,630
confirm that something strange did

1528
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:49,970
happen on the second night and we need

1529
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:52,010
to take a break right here but I want a

1530
01:07:58,450 --> 01:07:55,790
quick answer out of you why do you think

1531
01:08:00,460 --> 01:07:58,460
that something as basic as trying to

1532
01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:00,470
remember if you were armed or not or

1533
01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:03,140
your sidearms is so difficult to recall

1534
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:06,560
when everything else is so vivid but why

1535
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:09,890
do you think that is well if you go into

1536
01:08:14,110 --> 01:08:12,230
project condign which was you know

1537
01:08:16,690 --> 01:08:14,120
report that they did in the UK and it

1538
01:08:18,849 --> 01:08:16,700
mentioned Rendell's a minute it would

1539
01:08:20,260 --> 01:08:18,859
have to do somewhat partly with whatever

1540
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:20,270
we encountered

1541
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:22,670
affect how we saw it and what we

1542
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:25,490
remember well and then there's also I

1543
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:27,170
don't ever remember being interrogated

1544
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:28,370
but different people said they were

1545
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:30,410
there could have been something having

1546
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:31,910
to do with what they did to us

1547
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,730
afterwards got you okay let's take a

1548
01:08:38,349 --> 01:08:36,319
break right here our guest tonight John

1549
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:38,359
Burroughs we're gonna do it we're gonna

1550
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:40,490
put a fork in Rendlesham tonight tonight

1551
01:08:45,010 --> 01:08:42,890
is the last word with John Burroughs I'm

1552
01:08:50,110 --> 01:08:45,020
your host Jimmy Church I'll be right

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01:09:05,900 --> 01:08:56,070
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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:30,050
[Applause]

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:32,550
welcome back to fade to black I am your

1633
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:35,130
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight is

1634
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:38,760
John Burroughs and we are putting a fork

1635
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:40,770
in Rendlesham we're gonna try to

1636
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:42,680
tomorrow night Paula Harris is here

1637
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:45,300
Thursday night is another Fator night

1638
01:13:50,150 --> 01:13:47,640
Friday I will be at the NAMM show down

1639
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,160
at the Anaheim Convention Center in

1640
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,280
Anaheim and Saturday night I'll be over

1641
01:13:57,650 --> 01:13:54,960
at coast-to-coast am and my guests will

1642
01:13:59,480 --> 01:13:57,660
be Carolyn Ford and Erich von däniken

1643
01:14:02,510 --> 01:13:59,490
but tonight it's all about John

1644
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,520
Burroughs all right John let's now okay

1645
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:04,260
I've got a lot of questions lined up

1646
01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:07,710
here I've got yeah I've got a lot of

1647
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:10,470
stuff that we need to get to for the

1648
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:13,320
audience so before we get to that let's

1649
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:17,360
get straight tonight three okay so

1650
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:19,650
officially you'd you know you weren't

1651
01:14:24,230 --> 01:14:21,000
part of anything that would have

1652
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:24,240
happened on night 2 so let's let's let's

1653
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:26,280
move to night 3 I want your your

1654
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:29,130
perspective your iWitness thing on all

1655
01:14:34,580 --> 01:14:32,280
of this what what what how did your day

1656
01:14:37,190 --> 01:14:34,590
start out did you have any crazy dreams

1657
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,200
by the way I mean during that timeframe

1658
01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:39,600
yeah you know no other than just I kind

1659
01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:42,300
of woke up at about 4:00 or 4:30 in the

1660
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,430
morning on the morning of the 27th and

1661
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:46,320
felt like something happened and went up

1662
01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:48,150
to the base which would have been

1663
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:50,160
Saturday and found out something did

1664
01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:53,250
happen so to you know cut to the chase

1665
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:55,230
on that after that happened I went over

1666
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:57,150
to the dorm met up with a couple guys

1667
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:58,890
that worked with you know the wine duty

1668
01:15:01,130 --> 01:15:00,060
denied our stuff and said you're not

1669
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:01,140
gonna believe this was more stuff

1670
01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:04,290
happened so we kind of decided that you

1671
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:05,700
know we do different things during the

1672
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:07,620
day I stayed up on the base and what

1673
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:09,420
what happened to me that night after I

1674
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:11,490
got dark the three of us would just go

1675
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:12,420
out to the forest

1676
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:15,270
you know low-key we figured go out there

1677
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,030
Park out there hang out see if we could

1678
01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:20,280
figure something out and see me got

1679
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:23,700
civvies yeah we were off to be yeah ya

1680
01:15:29,420 --> 01:15:26,250
know so we went out we went out there

1681
01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:29,430
and it already started they'd had more

1682
01:15:33,170 --> 01:15:32,070
activity that night earlier around I

1683
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,180
think it started about twenty one

1684
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,520
hundred twenty twenty to twenty hundred

1685
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:38,640
twenty one hundred um didn't know the

1686
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:40,500
whole story tell years a few years later

1687
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,310
exactly

1688
01:15:45,650 --> 01:15:43,920
I went down but basically Colonel hot

1689
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:45,660
was in the middle of it they had a team

1690
01:15:51,710 --> 01:15:50,250
out there in the forest I found out when

1691
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:51,720
we came into the gate when we're gonna

1692
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:53,370
go out there that something was going on

1693
01:15:57,530 --> 01:15:56,040
we got down to the east gate and then we

1694
01:16:00,260 --> 01:15:57,540
eventually got down to a staging area

1695
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:00,270
and then eventually met up with halt and

1696
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:02,490
then at that point had a conversation

1697
01:16:06,650 --> 01:16:04,260
with him and then in the distance

1698
01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:06,660
something strange started coming down

1699
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:10,200
out of the sky into the the trees in

1700
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:11,790
front of us and that's when he leaded

1701
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:14,400
your burst ends and I go forward to see

1702
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:17,640
what that was and how close to that what

1703
01:16:22,670 --> 01:16:19,890
we're looking at there was two the first

1704
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:22,680
night there what happened to us okay I'm

1705
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:24,650
gonna ask you three questions

1706
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:27,750
back-to-back and all I want is a yes or

1707
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:29,730
no answer okay okay

1708
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:34,080
night 126 did you see Larry Warren no

1709
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:38,640
night to day two on the base anywhere

1710
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:42,180
did you see Larry Warren no day three

1711
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,610
you're out there with halt and missed

1712
01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:46,320
ends is there too as well did you see

1713
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:49,140
Larry Warren no okay alright so let's

1714
01:16:57,230 --> 01:16:54,090
move on you I mentioned civvies earlier

1715
01:16:59,150 --> 01:16:57,240
what I mean to the audience that he was

1716
01:16:59,780 --> 01:16:59,160
wearing civilian clothes he wasn't in

1717
01:17:02,840 --> 01:16:59,790
uniform

1718
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:02,850
sorry about the vernacular everybody but

1719
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:05,460
John understood what I was saying night

1720
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:09,690
three with moose tenza and and you now

1721
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:13,890
you're back in uniform you're on duty no

1722
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:16,770
no I was off duty on a 392 I wasn't out

1723
01:17:20,690 --> 01:17:18,450
there I just found out about it when I

1724
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:20,700
went up to the base in the morning night

1725
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:22,980
3 is when me and a couple guys that work

1726
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:24,810
with one out there to see if we could

1727
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:27,090
figure out you know what when it went on

1728
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:29,310
the first night and what well maybe one

1729
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:30,690
on the second night so we were all

1730
01:17:34,940 --> 01:17:33,270
off-duty in civilian clothes okay on

1731
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:34,950
night three what I meant about day two

1732
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:37,290
you were off-duty you were and I wasn't

1733
01:17:41,780 --> 01:17:39,510
even present I right just got a quick

1734
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:41,790
briefing from the desk sergeant that the

1735
01:17:47,690 --> 01:17:44,820
shift commander went out there and they

1736
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:47,700
had some kind of incident take place she

1737
01:17:51,219 --> 01:17:49,470
got really upset they had to relieve her

1738
01:17:53,589 --> 01:17:51,229
duty and

1739
01:17:55,330 --> 01:17:53,599
in fact she would have been the one that

1740
01:17:56,919 --> 01:17:55,340
should have been the shift commander on

1741
01:17:59,469 --> 01:17:56,929
93 but she wasn't there lieutenant

1742
01:18:01,659 --> 01:17:59,479
England who was the beef light shift

1743
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:01,669
commander stayed over and was the one

1744
01:18:05,379 --> 01:18:03,530
that was involved with D flight on night

1745
01:18:09,609 --> 01:18:05,389
3 yeah that's one of the questions that

1746
01:18:13,169 --> 01:18:09,619
was posted by our audience and let me

1747
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:13,179
get to that since we're actually on it

1748
01:18:20,290 --> 01:18:17,209
about this woman security officer that

1749
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:20,300
was freaking out what do we know about

1750
01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:24,260
that now why he tell you what I was told

1751
01:18:31,089 --> 01:18:26,209
and I could tell you what I've been told

1752
01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:31,099
recently which is interesting that that

1753
01:18:36,429 --> 01:18:34,340
something happened and she actually had

1754
01:18:40,089 --> 01:18:36,439
a blue light or something go through her

1755
01:18:44,799 --> 01:18:40,099
vehicle and it shut it down we know

1756
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:44,809
we've done interviews with a Airmen that

1757
01:18:51,699 --> 01:18:47,510
was on duty she confirmed that she could

1758
01:18:53,979 --> 01:18:51,709
hear the lieutenant in the lieutenant

1759
01:18:56,529 --> 01:18:53,989
and master ball in the forest

1760
01:18:59,319 --> 01:18:56,539
investigating whatever was on night 2

1761
01:19:02,500 --> 01:18:59,329
and she seemed to be you know upset and

1762
01:19:04,659 --> 01:19:02,510
kind of freaking out and that after this

1763
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,669
light went through her vehicle then it

1764
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,800
shut it off they actually pulled her and

1765
01:19:11,169 --> 01:19:09,199
relieved her a duty and halt later has

1766
01:19:12,879 --> 01:19:11,179
now said that she immediately was taken

1767
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:12,889
away from the base within a couple days

1768
01:19:17,979 --> 01:19:15,679
and you know it was pcs out of there so

1769
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:17,989
I don't remember seeing her much

1770
01:19:21,429 --> 01:19:19,010
afterwards

1771
01:19:22,839 --> 01:19:21,439
her name was lieutenant Tamplin but I

1772
01:19:25,060 --> 01:19:22,849
can't confirm that she would immediately

1773
01:19:27,909 --> 01:19:25,070
left the base right after the incident

1774
01:19:31,959 --> 01:19:27,919
but someone else has come forward and

1775
01:19:33,699 --> 01:19:31,969
said that not only did um she had the

1776
01:19:36,609 --> 01:19:33,709
encounter but she actually may have

1777
01:19:37,239 --> 01:19:36,619
fired a couple shots at it why she was

1778
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:37,249
out there

1779
01:19:44,049 --> 01:19:41,209
has anybody reached out to her yeah

1780
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,059
they've tried to track her down um I've

1781
01:19:48,819 --> 01:19:46,159
had some had somebody working on it for

1782
01:19:50,830 --> 01:19:48,829
a while back in ten and the closest we

1783
01:19:54,009 --> 01:19:50,840
got to find her was she somewhere off

1784
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:54,019
grid in Italy he would think that I mean

1785
01:19:59,020 --> 01:19:57,050
Harry she probably doesn't want the

1786
01:20:00,779 --> 01:19:59,030
notoriety and I can understand that

1787
01:20:03,489 --> 01:20:00,789
that's a life-changing thing for anybody

1788
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:03,499
but do you think that's the reason why

1789
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:04,130
it

1790
01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:06,650
she's just--she's fully aware certainly

1791
01:20:10,899 --> 01:20:08,780
she knows that you know we're speaking

1792
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:10,909
about her right now right somebody out

1793
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:13,010
there knows her and would mention

1794
01:20:17,229 --> 01:20:15,830
something to her right I'm sure she's

1795
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:17,239
knows she's been brought up in

1796
01:20:20,649 --> 01:20:19,130
discussion I think Colonel halt was

1797
01:20:22,270 --> 01:20:20,659
trying to track her down pretty hard too

1798
01:20:24,939 --> 01:20:22,280
right and I don't believe he could ever

1799
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:24,949
get to her home I think we've got to a

1800
01:20:30,610 --> 01:20:28,159
family member I know I we did ourselves

1801
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,620
personally and we reached out through

1802
01:20:34,419 --> 01:20:32,239
the family member and she would said she

1803
01:20:37,330 --> 01:20:34,429
wasn't interested and talking about it

1804
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:37,340
and then also England is the other guy

1805
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:39,770
that's never that was out there's never

1806
01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:40,610
talked about it

1807
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:43,790
um the closest was when Chuck the Karl

1808
01:20:47,709 --> 01:20:45,500
found him and tried to talk to him and

1809
01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:47,719
he threw him off the base Chuck de Caro

1810
01:20:56,770 --> 01:20:50,870
of CNN right they got thrown off the

1811
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:56,780
base yeah okay so let's let's get back

1812
01:21:01,800 --> 01:20:59,840
to the moment here so it's u-haul past

1813
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:01,810
Enza and who else

1814
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:05,300
well England I remember clearly in ball

1815
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,270
um i Neville's was there it's on the

1816
01:21:12,010 --> 01:21:09,920
tape but I don't remember Neville's

1817
01:21:13,689 --> 01:21:12,020
you know and I didn't know who he was at

1818
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:13,699
the time but I knew sergeant ball was I

1819
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:16,550
knew England was um I didn't know butts

1820
01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:19,850
tenza was but you know I was able to

1821
01:21:27,790 --> 01:21:23,630
identify him after the fact put a name

1822
01:21:30,340 --> 01:21:27,800
to the face but so those were the main

1823
01:21:32,290 --> 01:21:30,350
people that not only you know that I

1824
01:21:34,570 --> 01:21:32,300
remember but are on the tape that hault

1825
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,580
made so those guys were on there there

1826
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:35,840
may have been one or two other people

1827
01:21:40,899 --> 01:21:38,210
out there that's never been totally

1828
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:40,909
identified to this day for sure who they

1829
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,670
were when you go back I've listened to

1830
01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:45,710
that tape literally a hundred times if

1831
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:47,870
not more like everybody else and I'm

1832
01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:52,239
sure yourself included how accurate is

1833
01:22:03,850 --> 01:21:59,179
halts narration to your memory well

1834
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:03,860
that's a great question because Hall has

1835
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:07,520
never been honest about what happened to

1836
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:11,210
Adrian and I and for the longest time he

1837
01:22:14,979 --> 01:22:13,489
denied in georgina Bruni when he worked

1838
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:14,989
with heard about but it stuns it was

1839
01:22:20,050 --> 01:22:17,810
involved even though that they attract

1840
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:20,060
since the down faucet and Greenwood and

1841
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:22,850
interviewed him and Warren and Robbins

1842
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:25,610
had found him and halt denied the best

1843
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:28,060
Enzo was involved and even to Bruni and

1844
01:22:33,370 --> 01:22:31,670
Bruni had the tape this the tape that

1845
01:22:35,170 --> 01:22:33,380
originally was released was not very

1846
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:35,180
good and she had it cleaned up and

1847
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:37,040
that's when everything started coming

1848
01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:39,110
out you could hear clearly names and my

1849
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:40,940
names on it and everything

1850
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:43,370
so he denied it Adrian was out there or

1851
01:22:50,230 --> 01:22:47,570
I was out there and it's taken about 37

1852
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:50,240
years to wear now he said that Miss tins

1853
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:52,370
had never left his side which isn't true

1854
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:54,290
Adrian was doing different things you

1855
01:22:58,690 --> 01:22:56,090
can hear that on the tape and he's

1856
01:23:01,570 --> 01:22:58,700
finally admitted that I did meet up with

1857
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:01,580
this party and that Adrian and I did go

1858
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:04,490
forward but it's taken it took over 37

1859
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:05,870
years for that to come forward

1860
01:23:14,050 --> 01:23:08,710
I can't remember my conversations with

1861
01:23:17,860 --> 01:23:14,060
Charles halts about that I wish I would

1862
01:23:22,210 --> 01:23:17,870
be able to comment but I can't okay so

1863
01:23:26,890 --> 01:23:22,220
now you guys head into the woods and at

1864
01:23:28,810 --> 01:23:26,900
this point I don't even know if you're

1865
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:28,820
aware that at this point that Charles

1866
01:23:33,610 --> 01:23:31,010
had his little recorder on him so when I

1867
01:23:36,490 --> 01:23:33,620
met up with him yes we met up with him

1868
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:36,500
when I met up to him now in my hypnosis

1869
01:23:42,730 --> 01:23:40,460
but I remember he had his radio he had

1870
01:23:45,190 --> 01:23:42,740
the recorder he told me you know he was

1871
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:45,200
talking to the command post his cos I'm

1872
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:49,040
a stopper and he also had the audio

1873
01:23:52,930 --> 01:23:50,450
cassette that he said he was recording

1874
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:52,940
he's pointed out some blue lights but

1875
01:23:57,970 --> 01:23:54,830
here's something that has just recently

1876
01:24:00,370 --> 01:23:57,980
came out that I wasn't even aware of but

1877
01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:00,380
Nick reffered did some FOIA and what's

1878
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:02,180
interesting is if you go on the tape

1879
01:24:06,910 --> 01:24:04,370
there's a throw three hundred to four

1880
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:06,920
hundred and oh three hundred about 320

1881
01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:09,890
325 a bunch of stuff went on but then it

1882
01:24:14,260 --> 01:24:12,980
kind of goes dead from 303 32 four and

1883
01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:14,270
then he says we returned to the base

1884
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:16,760
well what took place with Adrian I was

1885
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,210
between about 0-3 xx + 4 now Redfern did

1886
01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:22,880
a FOIA and the British admitted in the

1887
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,600
FOIA that at 0 320 the Bentwaters

1888
01:24:30,879 --> 01:24:28,880
command post contacted Eastern radar and

1889
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,889
said they had a UFO incident in progress

1890
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,199
and that the command post wanted

1891
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:34,880
verification or whether or not there was

1892
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:37,610
your any kind of radar contact and

1893
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:39,530
before you then comes back and says

1894
01:24:43,390 --> 01:24:40,880
basically those tapes have been

1895
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:43,400
destroyed so therefore they cannot

1896
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:46,400
confirm what was or wasn't on radar

1897
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:49,550
during the incident in a strange way

1898
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:51,530
when you get that kind of confirmation

1899
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:54,560
it just freaks you out even further I

1900
01:25:01,620 --> 01:24:58,159
mean I think that all of us want this to

1901
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:01,630
be what it is right an actual UFO

1902
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:04,190
experience and encounter and then on the

1903
01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:06,409
other side we don't want that right it's

1904
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,150
like wait a bit maybe we don't actually

1905
01:25:12,879 --> 01:25:10,639
want this to be what it is but when you

1906
01:25:15,580 --> 01:25:12,889
get the verification it's a pretty

1907
01:25:18,609 --> 01:25:15,590
frightening thing that it is what it is

1908
01:25:21,220 --> 01:25:18,619
it is what we are all you know fearing

1909
01:25:25,330 --> 01:25:21,230
and hoping for at the same time right

1910
01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:25,340
right and that was when whatever when

1911
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:28,760
Adrienne I went forward who Paul and his

1912
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,310
team behind us saw something happened to

1913
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:37,040
us and halt from that point going

1914
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,590
forward has never wanted to publicly

1915
01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:42,560
talk about or even for a longest time

1916
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:44,780
admit that we were even involved but

1917
01:25:49,209 --> 01:25:46,730
when best enza's names on the tape my

1918
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:49,219
name is on the tape um and then an

1919
01:25:52,899 --> 01:25:51,170
interview Robbins did with halt where he

1920
01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:52,909
slipped up and admitted I went forward

1921
01:25:58,689 --> 01:25:56,030
it kind of forced his hand but his

1922
01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:58,699
latest this thing is simply wall I could

1923
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:01,130
see him go forward they didn't it's

1924
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:02,810
nothing appear to happen to him not

1925
01:26:06,910 --> 01:26:04,610
saying it didn't but the one that came

1926
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,920
back they didn't really say anything so

1927
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:10,159
I don't know what to make of it so so

1928
01:26:15,370 --> 01:26:12,650
he's covered that up and I've got emails

1929
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:15,380
from him or he said he's he's actually

1930
01:26:19,899 --> 01:26:17,330
towards he some of them he says I'm done

1931
01:26:21,490 --> 01:26:19,909
trying to cover for you so he's kind of

1932
01:26:22,810 --> 01:26:21,500
even implied and he's trying to keep

1933
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:22,820
that part of the story

1934
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:25,730
quiet or didn't want it brought into the

1935
01:26:29,129 --> 01:26:27,530
whole thing now let's get back to the

1936
01:26:33,459 --> 01:26:29,139
tape

1937
01:26:36,580 --> 01:26:33,469
what halt is describing as you guys are

1938
01:26:38,140 --> 01:26:36,590
walking through the forest and is you

1939
01:26:40,689 --> 01:26:38,150
know because he's painting a very good

1940
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:40,699
visual picture right the blinking eye

1941
01:26:46,670 --> 01:26:43,739
the movement the price right you know

1942
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:46,680
it's moving inside of the trees oh it

1943
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:49,080
moved again pretty frightening

1944
01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:52,260
play-by-play let me break some of this

1945
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:56,310
down as you guys were moving though I

1946
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:57,810
think the first thing that halt brings

1947
01:27:01,400 --> 01:26:59,460
up you can correct me if I'm wrong is

1948
01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:01,410
the blinking eye did you see the

1949
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:05,030
blinking eye no no I was not with

1950
01:27:13,459 --> 01:27:10,920
Colonel Hall at all up until we met as

1951
01:27:16,459 --> 01:27:13,469
he was coming back from some of what

1952
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:16,469
took place on the tape and I met up with

1953
01:27:20,660 --> 01:27:18,690
him at that point so all the stuff that

1954
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,670
went on where he talks about the

1955
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:23,280
blinking eye Moulton here it comes from

1956
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:25,230
the south there's a [\h__\h] I coming down at

1957
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:26,580
her feet and all that I was not involved

1958
01:27:29,959 --> 01:27:28,110
in any of that so you didn't see the

1959
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:29,969
beam of light coming to the ground no

1960
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:32,010
but what's interesting was I have said

1961
01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:32,730
this for years

1962
01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:34,980
that right before we met up with him

1963
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:36,780
there was a blue light that came from

1964
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:39,330
their direction this shot right at us

1965
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:41,489
and there was a staging area with light

1966
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:44,100
on us and came at us went over the top

1967
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:46,170
of us it went past the light house and

1968
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:47,730
they lit up and it went through the

1969
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:49,080
pickup truck backed by the lighthouse

1970
01:27:56,150 --> 01:27:54,300
and then shot back up into the sky so

1971
01:27:59,150 --> 01:27:56,160
what's there whooping and hollering was

1972
01:28:01,820 --> 01:27:59,160
anybody screaming was there anything or

1973
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:01,830
not screaming in terror but you know

1974
01:28:06,830 --> 01:28:03,690
that there's a lot of activity going on

1975
01:28:11,150 --> 01:28:06,840
in the forest right now what was that

1976
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:11,160
like though it was there was nothing

1977
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:14,430
that I can remember of anybody freaking

1978
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:16,110
out or anything other than what I

1979
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,420
remember and it's more from my hypnosis

1980
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:20,460
than my memory other than in jarred it a

1981
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,310
little bit was they all looked really

1982
01:28:28,670 --> 01:28:25,920
weird the whole team looked weird but

1983
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:28,680
two of them hauled himself didn't seem

1984
01:28:38,150 --> 01:28:35,090
too worked up about it and England was

1985
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:38,160
like being England he was an ex-marine

1986
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:40,980
was kind of like he was armed he had a

1987
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,650
weapon with him and he was like he was

1988
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,360
he wasn't freaked out he was kind of

1989
01:28:50,150 --> 01:28:47,580
like jazzed by it and just said we were

1990
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:50,160
armed in balla bah but everybody else

1991
01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:52,650
was kind of like they had to look

1992
01:28:55,700 --> 01:28:54,390
probably like we did the first night you

1993
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:55,710
know okay

1994
01:29:01,390 --> 01:28:58,679
back to you're part of this you and

1995
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:01,400
Adrian of his sense of what happens next

1996
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:06,900
well he let us go forward we I didn't

1997
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:09,540
have a radio Adrian did um it seemed

1998
01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:11,130
like the object whatever it was it was

1999
01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:13,350
in the trees hovering above the trees

2000
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:16,440
started to come down and towards us we

2001
01:29:22,130 --> 01:29:19,650
were running towards it um he was to my

2002
01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:22,140
right and and we we had a brief radio

2003
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,880
transmission with the tower saying

2004
01:29:30,260 --> 01:29:26,159
whatever it is seems to be getting close

2005
01:29:33,229 --> 01:29:30,270
to us can we continue and they said go

2006
01:29:35,180 --> 01:29:33,239
for it and and then at that point

2007
01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,190
Adrian went down to the ground and he

2008
01:29:39,380 --> 01:29:37,260
said that he felt like something pushed

2009
01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:39,390
him down and held him down and as he

2010
01:29:43,820 --> 01:29:40,980
went down to the ground whatever it was

2011
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:43,830
kind of he said came over the top of me

2012
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:46,440
and I remember getting close to it

2013
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:47,820
that's all I remember until it was gone

2014
01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:49,890
I'm gonna stand there and he said I

2015
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:53,100
phased the way I disappeared and part of

2016
01:29:58,189 --> 01:29:54,780
it touched him and he's had some health

2017
01:29:59,810 --> 01:29:58,199
issues from that and and I faced out and

2018
01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:59,820
I was gone for a while and I was back

2019
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:03,360
then the object is I came back went up

2020
01:30:08,300 --> 01:30:06,210
and disappeared and he did also say that

2021
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:08,310
at that point when I went into it and I

2022
01:30:14,630 --> 01:30:09,780
phased away it appeared to take a

2023
01:30:16,250 --> 01:30:14,640
triangular shape so he is describing and

2024
01:30:18,260 --> 01:30:16,260
I've heard him say this but I want you

2025
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:18,270
to be very clear for the audience for

2026
01:30:25,010 --> 01:30:19,080
tonight's show

2027
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:25,020
that he was watching you you phased yeah

2028
01:30:28,729 --> 01:30:26,610
like he described the best way to

2029
01:30:30,500 --> 01:30:28,739
describe it was that like what you see

2030
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:30,510
on Star Trek were you know they'd be

2031
01:30:35,899 --> 01:30:32,850
more right right that's what he said

2032
01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:35,909
happened to me and were you watching

2033
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:39,750
Adrian no as I saw kind of out of my

2034
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:42,179
peripheral vision go down I kept going

2035
01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:44,040
and it seemed like I was there it was

2036
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:45,960
and you know then next thing I know I'm

2037
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:49,380
looking and there he is on the ground

2038
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:51,239
I'll turn around look back or I was

2039
01:30:56,780 --> 01:30:53,550
staring at him I can't I can't ever

2040
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:56,790
really remember if I was staring out

2041
01:31:01,880 --> 01:30:59,580
looking at where I was heading forward

2042
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:01,890
or if I was when I came and realized

2043
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:03,510
what was going on I was looking back at

2044
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:05,460
him but let's say I saw him on the

2045
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:08,370
ground and he got up and you know and

2046
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:09,199
then it was

2047
01:31:14,469 --> 01:31:12,050
kind of like looking at each other and I

2048
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:14,479
was about it and then neither one of us

2049
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:16,130
remember anything from that point going

2050
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:18,650
back how close for you to the object

2051
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:20,570
Courtney him I went into it

2052
01:31:25,660 --> 01:31:22,729
i reaiiy was pretty close to it not very

2053
01:31:28,959 --> 01:31:25,670
far for me okay the last thing that you

2054
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:28,969
remember what was that just that the

2055
01:31:34,810 --> 01:31:31,070
light was coming at us and it was an

2056
01:31:39,339 --> 01:31:34,820
orange hue you know like kind of in in

2057
01:31:41,709 --> 01:31:39,349
in it you know that it was like what is

2058
01:31:47,589 --> 01:31:41,719
it and and I'm trying to get to it and

2059
01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:47,599
then BAM it's gone the distance at that

2060
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,590
point to the best of your recollection

2061
01:31:57,729 --> 01:31:52,880
what are we talking about here was it

2062
01:32:01,540 --> 01:31:57,739
yards was it 50 feet you know how close

2063
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:01,550
do you is the last thing I you know I've

2064
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:06,650
never really tried to totally give you

2065
01:32:11,799 --> 01:32:09,050
exact distance but I was close it was

2066
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:11,809
like we were almost on it it felt like

2067
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:14,090
or there it was all you know it was

2068
01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:15,530
coming towards us we were going towards

2069
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,420
it and it was almost like I was on it

2070
01:32:20,819 --> 01:32:19,280
and then like I said all of a sudden it

2071
01:32:27,069 --> 01:32:20,829
was like it seemed like it was going on

2072
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:27,079
so I would have been yards so what a

2073
01:32:33,879 --> 01:32:31,610
crazy moment this is and at that moment

2074
01:32:36,189 --> 01:32:33,889
where the Senza says the two phase out

2075
01:32:40,029 --> 01:32:36,199
right he's been affected by this

2076
01:32:42,069 --> 01:32:40,039
exterior force that is either knocked

2077
01:32:43,419 --> 01:32:42,079
him to the ground and is holding him to

2078
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:43,429
the ground but that's going on at that

2079
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:48,249
moment and the phasing that adrian is

2080
01:32:55,449 --> 01:32:53,449
describing here is that which you would

2081
01:32:59,020 --> 01:32:55,459
have to suppose at this moment but

2082
01:33:01,930 --> 01:32:59,030
that's the period of you coming back to

2083
01:33:04,540 --> 01:33:01,940
and the object is gone am i

2084
01:33:06,759 --> 01:33:04,550
understanding everything no you made it

2085
01:33:08,859 --> 01:33:06,769
sound like he saw me phase out and was

2086
01:33:09,489 --> 01:33:08,869
gone and then I phase back in that's

2087
01:33:12,219 --> 01:33:09,499
what I mean

2088
01:33:14,739 --> 01:33:12,229
so when he phased in the object was gone

2089
01:33:17,049 --> 01:33:14,749
then the object disappeared right it

2090
01:33:19,689 --> 01:33:17,059
kind of like I came back in and then

2091
01:33:22,290 --> 01:33:19,699
it's out away okay when you say that it

2092
01:33:25,260 --> 01:33:22,300
shot away was this up

2093
01:33:27,450 --> 01:33:25,270
never really said I don't remember any

2094
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:27,460
of it he just said it seemed like when I

2095
01:33:31,229 --> 01:33:29,170
reappeared then the object disappeared

2096
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:31,239
what I never really gotten to the point

2097
01:33:37,799 --> 01:33:34,480
of what the object did you mentioned at

2098
01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:37,809
that point this is I'm quoting you you

2099
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:40,030
said at that point there was a

2100
01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:42,730
triangular shape right he said it looked

2101
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:44,440
like it took a triangular shape yes at

2102
01:33:49,919 --> 01:33:47,050
one point okay but you yourself don't

2103
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:49,929
remember that no I said both times first

2104
01:33:54,330 --> 01:33:52,239
time got close to something boom it was

2105
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:54,340
gone second time got closes up didn't

2106
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:57,250
boo MIT was gone and when you when you

2107
01:34:01,319 --> 01:33:58,719
think about this now

2108
01:34:06,030 --> 01:34:01,329
and you have to understand even for

2109
01:34:08,069 --> 01:34:06,040
myself John this is pretty fantastical

2110
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:08,079
stuff this is this is hard to wrap your

2111
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,710
mind around and you everybody knows

2112
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:14,320
there's multiple witnesses to what is

2113
01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:18,130
going on and this phenomenal I just

2114
01:34:21,419 --> 01:34:19,540
stole your radio you should call your

2115
01:34:25,919 --> 01:34:21,429
show phenomenon radio by the way I

2116
01:34:29,399 --> 01:34:25,929
thought this this this phenomenal event

2117
01:34:31,919 --> 01:34:29,409
is going down but really you don't

2118
01:34:34,830 --> 01:34:31,929
remember the exact moment it's Adrian

2119
01:34:37,319 --> 01:34:34,840
that witnessed it right in the same way

2120
01:34:39,419 --> 01:34:37,329
on the first night Penniston said that

2121
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:39,429
you know the object was over me at one

2122
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:42,369
point um he handed at one point I may

2123
01:34:46,799 --> 01:34:44,800
have disappeared for a while so both

2124
01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:46,809
times you know and I've been ridiculed

2125
01:34:52,770 --> 01:34:50,230
for that but I'm honest I do not know

2126
01:34:55,399 --> 01:34:52,780
what happened you know I can only go on

2127
01:34:58,649 --> 01:34:55,409
what people said they saw happened and

2128
01:35:00,600 --> 01:34:58,659
that's what the way I've always been I

2129
01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:00,610
got close to something and then it was

2130
01:35:04,830 --> 01:35:03,190
gone and I do not know what took place

2131
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,840
other than whether the people said they

2132
01:35:09,870 --> 01:35:06,880
saw and then obviously some of my

2133
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:09,880
hypnosis paints a bigger picture so what

2134
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:11,130
happened next

2135
01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:14,170
well again like I said we started going

2136
01:35:18,660 --> 01:35:16,420
back and neither Adrian and I really

2137
01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:18,670
remember much from the point we turn

2138
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:21,070
around to go back until he remembers the

2139
01:35:25,589 --> 01:35:22,900
next morning and I remember the next

2140
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:25,599
afternoon so we don't remember anything

2141
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,050
from that point with the halt memo which

2142
01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:30,880
I'm looking at the clock here we got

2143
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:33,820
about three minutes with the halt memo

2144
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:35,830
halts got to write this up right and

2145
01:35:42,030 --> 01:35:39,130
all right sup the the the memo I think

2146
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:42,040
he writes it up on the 27th right well I

2147
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:43,930
have to look at the memo on a date but

2148
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:46,090
it was a week or two after the event

2149
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:47,770
yeah he was told to write something up

2150
01:35:53,820 --> 01:35:49,870
and sent to the mo D right so he had to

2151
01:35:56,910 --> 01:35:53,830
backdate all of this in other words he

2152
01:35:58,650 --> 01:35:56,920
didn't write the memo as you know the

2153
01:36:00,990 --> 01:35:58,660
day that had happened is was what I'm

2154
01:36:02,910 --> 01:36:01,000
referencing here right right he wrote it

2155
01:36:07,410 --> 01:36:02,920
afterwards as far as what was officially

2156
01:36:09,650 --> 01:36:07,420
has been released yes so when the

2157
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:09,660
conversation goes down with you and halt

2158
01:36:17,130 --> 01:36:14,560
what did you tell him well we went in we

2159
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:17,140
went in it was like the Tuesday when we

2160
01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:19,510
came back to do on Monday was told to

2161
01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:21,100
write a statement you know it was hinted

2162
01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:23,500
before I want to break but I didn't do

2163
01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:26,590
it and then Monday we were told to write

2164
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:28,720
write it up so I did and we went in

2165
01:36:32,970 --> 01:36:30,730
Tuesday before he went to work what I

2166
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:32,980
remember and we met with halt first

2167
01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:35,170
handed statements to him then we all

2168
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:36,760
went in and saw Conrad and then we

2169
01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:38,410
everyone saw the old man is what he call

2170
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,080
that we commander and it was brief with

2171
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:43,600
both of them and Penniston was the NCO

2172
01:36:51,420 --> 01:36:47,770
so he reported to him and you know there

2173
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:51,430
wasn't a lot that I had involvement with

2174
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:54,250
hall or Conrad or Williams at the time

2175
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,530
you know I was just I was an airman and

2176
01:37:01,410 --> 01:36:58,960
it wasn't my place I was in was

2177
01:37:03,090 --> 01:37:01,420
basically told was that they were

2178
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,100
looking into this and that they would

2179
01:37:07,260 --> 01:37:05,440
get back to me if they needed anything

2180
01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:07,270
and otherwise I was to stay quiet about

2181
01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:09,790
it and that was that was the gist of

2182
01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:13,720
what happened with me did Conrad forget

2183
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:15,580
about halt for a second and then we're

2184
01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:17,050
going to be headed towards a break but

2185
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:22,180
did Conrad suggest anything to you to

2186
01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:24,300
put in your statement to alter the event

2187
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:27,160
no nobody did they just told me to write

2188
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:29,650
the only thing they did say was they

2189
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:32,770
they wanted me to write they were

2190
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:34,570
working I was off-duty on the third

2191
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:37,750
night and it was like they wanted a

2192
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:39,420
statement for me and what took place

2193
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:42,250
from what we initially saw what going

2194
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:45,130
forward into going out off base and that

2195
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:47,170
was all they wanted I said well there's

2196
01:37:51,230 --> 01:37:49,350
a lot to talk about over three days and

2197
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:51,240
said don't worry about the other stuff

2198
01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:52,970
just write up what

2199
01:37:57,860 --> 01:37:55,320
you know started the whole thing that's

2200
01:38:00,440 --> 01:37:57,870
what we want and I did and then I turned

2201
01:38:02,690 --> 01:38:00,450
it in and they never challenged me or

2202
01:38:05,480 --> 01:38:02,700
told me what the writers say until years

2203
01:38:07,340 --> 01:38:05,490
later that's when the whole thing broke

2204
01:38:09,740 --> 01:38:07,350
and that's when the Pentagon called me

2205
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:09,750
and that got that whole thing took of

2206
01:38:12,980 --> 01:38:10,560
twists and turns

2207
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:12,990
yeah I find that part very interesting

2208
01:38:16,220 --> 01:38:14,730
job we got to take a break right here in

2209
01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:16,230
that they didn't ask you to alter but

2210
01:38:22,670 --> 01:38:20,070
they didn't want you to comment about

2211
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:22,680
night two or three they only would the

2212
01:38:26,690 --> 01:38:24,930
official aspect of it when you are on

2213
01:38:27,950 --> 01:38:26,700
Patrol that's what they were in around

2214
01:38:29,420 --> 01:38:27,960
well they didn't really know I knew

2215
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:29,430
about ninety two I don't think they're

2216
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:30,810
but they didn't want me to talk about

2217
01:38:34,130 --> 01:38:32,760
ninety three yes they definitely did not

2218
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:34,140
want me to talk about night very

2219
01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:35,880
interesting let's take a break right

2220
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:37,740
here John Burroughs is our guest

2221
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:41,760
reporting a fork in Rendlesham I've got

2222
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a whole list of questions we're gonna go

2223
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through all of that and try to get it

2224
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all done when we come back I made a

2225
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promise I'm gonna stick by I'm your host

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Jimmy church this is fade to black we'll

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[Applause]

2325
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:09,330
you wanna know a secret

2326
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I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

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serious

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I couldn't stay sane without Pony mr.

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Brooks I fade to black because you never

2330
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[Music]

2335
01:43:54,189 --> 01:43:50,900
welcome back to fade to black our guest

2336
01:43:59,100 --> 01:43:54,199
tonight John burrows attempting to put a

2337
01:44:01,449 --> 01:43:59,110
fork in Rendlesham I'm doing my best

2338
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:01,459
great conversation tonight great

2339
01:44:07,959 --> 01:44:03,650
conversation hey John what's your

2340
01:44:09,699 --> 01:44:07,969
Twitter handle I don't have one hey you

2341
01:44:12,009 --> 01:44:09,709
know Twitter is gonna be big there's a

2342
01:44:13,839 --> 01:44:12,019
rumor that it's it you know you might

2343
01:44:20,770 --> 01:44:13,849
want to you might want to jump in you

2344
01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:20,780
know before it blows up okay okay all

2345
01:44:28,959 --> 01:44:24,860
right look I have got a ton of questions

2346
01:44:33,489 --> 01:44:28,969
here and now we've done our best tonight

2347
01:44:35,770 --> 01:44:33,499
for your eyewitness side of things but

2348
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:35,780
everybody's got a ton of questions maybe

2349
01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:37,449
some of this will stir your memories

2350
01:44:45,459 --> 01:44:41,689
also some of it may not apply but I'm

2351
01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:45,469
going to just lay it all out there and

2352
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,289
and squash rumors too as well so let's

2353
01:44:53,620 --> 01:44:50,239
let's do all of this this is the first

2354
01:44:55,989 --> 01:44:53,630
question tell us about the physical

2355
01:44:59,100 --> 01:44:55,999
characteristics of the craft

2356
01:45:01,359 --> 01:44:59,110
you touched what were the symbols like

2357
01:45:04,659 --> 01:45:01,369
now I already know the answer to the

2358
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:04,669
question but you know please answer well

2359
01:45:11,229 --> 01:45:07,610
I didn't touch it Penniston did and he's

2360
01:45:13,029 --> 01:45:11,239
you can go he's it's been put out there

2361
01:45:15,909 --> 01:45:13,039
what the glyphs look like you know what

2362
01:45:18,069 --> 01:45:15,919
he drew in his notebook and and then

2363
01:45:20,049 --> 01:45:18,079
when he claims that when he touched the

2364
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:20,059
glyphs then he got a binary download

2365
01:45:24,489 --> 01:45:22,249
which he wrote down a couple days or a

2366
01:45:27,310 --> 01:45:24,499
day and a half later so none of that

2367
01:45:29,409 --> 01:45:27,320
happened with me but but Penniston did

2368
01:45:31,629 --> 01:45:29,419
say walk around it saw the glyphs

2369
01:45:33,609 --> 01:45:31,639
touched it wrote it down in his notebook

2370
01:45:35,949 --> 01:45:33,619
so that's the best I could answer that

2371
01:45:40,290 --> 01:45:35,959
well we've got a lot of questions based

2372
01:45:45,569 --> 01:45:40,300
on this and I'm going to ask them all

2373
01:45:48,909 --> 01:45:45,579
this is for me the craft now that is at

2374
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:48,919
Rendlesham forest right the what do you

2375
01:45:53,409 --> 01:45:51,110
want to call it statue memorial but have

2376
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:53,419
you does that resemble anything that you

2377
01:45:58,959 --> 01:45:56,449
remember no not me but they tried to

2378
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,969
base it basic off of penniston's

2379
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:01,119
drawings that he put in this statement

2380
01:46:09,629 --> 01:46:05,980
okay next going back tonight one can

2381
01:46:12,689 --> 01:46:09,639
John remember was it near the field or

2382
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:12,699
borough Hill where they stumbled into a

2383
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:15,130
stream and got wet I remember you and I

2384
01:46:19,649 --> 01:46:17,710
talking about this last year can John

2385
01:46:23,399 --> 01:46:19,659
remember if it was on the outward

2386
01:46:26,010 --> 01:46:23,409
journey or on the way back well that's

2387
01:46:28,140 --> 01:46:26,020
the thing I do remember when we were

2388
01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:28,150
coming back I realized that we were wet

2389
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:30,580
the feet were wet and we were wet in my

2390
01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:33,040
hypnosis it goes a little deeper into

2391
01:46:37,530 --> 01:46:35,380
the fact that we were wet and we really

2392
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:37,540
couldn't figure out how we got from

2393
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:39,940
where we were to where we there were

2394
01:46:46,109 --> 01:46:42,670
then and then in in you know in the

2395
01:46:49,260 --> 01:46:46,119
timeframe that it took so Barrow Hill is

2396
01:46:51,689 --> 01:46:49,270
about two miles out and it's a very

2397
01:46:54,089 --> 01:46:51,699
interesting place in itself in it you

2398
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:54,099
know the history behind it and that's

2399
01:46:58,379 --> 01:46:56,050
where my statement and Caban sex

2400
01:47:00,540 --> 01:46:58,389
statement we we got to the top of the

2401
01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:00,550
hill and looked out to the coast so

2402
01:47:07,050 --> 01:47:04,060
there's a lot to that but exactly when

2403
01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:07,060
we got wet I'm not sure could you please

2404
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:10,360
ask mr. burrows if he considers the

2405
01:47:20,010 --> 01:47:14,770
event holy ET or in some way spiritual

2406
01:47:21,899 --> 01:47:20,020
as well I don't consider it the best way

2407
01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:21,909
to put this is this I'm not sure what it

2408
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:22,360
was

2409
01:47:27,149 --> 01:47:25,750
there's a guy in UK that I met and I

2410
01:47:29,399 --> 01:47:27,159
become friends with has done a lot of

2411
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:29,409
research on the area by the name of

2412
01:47:32,729 --> 01:47:31,210
James war oh there's sent a lot of

2413
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:32,739
research and the technology that was

2414
01:47:37,379 --> 01:47:35,530
going on the testing was going on s AP

2415
01:47:39,930 --> 01:47:37,389
programs were taking place just outside

2416
01:47:42,899 --> 01:47:39,940
the gate there was a known phenomenon in

2417
01:47:45,149 --> 01:47:42,909
there Andrew Pike was a scientist that

2418
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:45,159
was working on that aspect of it at the

2419
01:47:50,459 --> 01:47:47,920
time we backed last year we did some

2420
01:47:53,550 --> 01:47:50,469
research with wind Keach who identified

2421
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:53,560
some energy fields in there so there is

2422
01:47:56,820 --> 01:47:55,210
definitely some kind of phenomena in

2423
01:47:58,169 --> 01:47:56,830
that forest because stuff stops taking

2424
01:48:00,510 --> 01:47:58,179
place there to this day

2425
01:48:03,060 --> 01:48:00,520
and at the same time they're also with

2426
01:48:04,859 --> 01:48:03,070
some technology in especially in 1980

2427
01:48:07,379 --> 01:48:04,869
and even one of the sites are still

2428
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:07,389
there and active today so there's

2429
01:48:11,609 --> 01:48:10,090
something that's there and it very well

2430
01:48:13,169 --> 01:48:11,619
could have been part of what we

2431
01:48:14,819 --> 01:48:13,179
encountered and it also could have been

2432
01:48:17,069 --> 01:48:14,829
some of our own technology

2433
01:48:21,390 --> 01:48:17,079
that we were seeing also this is via

2434
01:48:24,799 --> 01:48:21,400
email does John Burroughs know why he is

2435
01:48:27,359 --> 01:48:24,809
not listed in the new cable green

2436
01:48:29,220 --> 01:48:27,369
documentary and there's a little bit

2437
01:48:33,359 --> 01:48:29,230
more to this but now I'm gonna stop

2438
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:33,369
right there I declined I don't want

2439
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:35,110
anything to do with that project and

2440
01:48:40,589 --> 01:48:39,489
there's the the other part about this

2441
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:40,599
incident that we didn't talk about

2442
01:48:47,839 --> 01:48:45,040
tonight was the craft again we're going

2443
01:48:50,879 --> 01:48:47,849
into the Larry Warren world I'm not

2444
01:48:52,859 --> 01:48:50,889
concerned about that but the the

2445
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:52,869
incident inside of the farmer's field

2446
01:48:55,919 --> 01:48:55,329
and and the craft line did you see any

2447
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:55,929
of that

2448
01:49:02,299 --> 01:49:00,880
no did anybody else discuss that with

2449
01:49:07,530 --> 01:49:02,309
you

2450
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,540
whatever yes other than when when I

2451
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:09,760
found out about Penniston you know he

2452
01:49:14,370 --> 01:49:12,159
kind of devotes a lot of that he did a

2453
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:14,380
little bit of it in strange but true

2454
01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:17,320
where he could see the glyphs but he

2455
01:49:20,669 --> 01:49:18,670
never really talked about any of the

2456
01:49:23,129 --> 01:49:20,679
other stuff at that point but it wasn't

2457
01:49:24,839 --> 01:49:23,139
until years later when I met up back up

2458
01:49:26,399 --> 01:49:24,849
with Penniston that he started diving

2459
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:26,409
into what he remembered and what

2460
01:49:32,459 --> 01:49:30,489
happened so no I was never privy to the

2461
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:32,469
craft a notebook or anything until years

2462
01:49:38,910 --> 01:49:36,250
later and the the okay alright let's

2463
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:38,920
let's let's move on

2464
01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:41,050
so you declined to be in the film okay

2465
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:43,750
number let's go to I'm switching

2466
01:49:49,890 --> 01:49:47,199
different I've got three different lists

2467
01:49:52,109 --> 01:49:49,900
of questions here going to night three

2468
01:49:54,540 --> 01:49:52,119
when Colonel halts party arrived back at

2469
01:49:57,689 --> 01:49:54,550
the staging post where the light ball

2470
01:50:00,330 --> 01:49:57,699
were the light all's working did John

2471
01:50:02,879 --> 01:50:00,340
see them working at any time when he was

2472
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:02,889
waiting for Colonel halts party to

2473
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:05,650
return why dolls did not work at all

2474
01:50:09,899 --> 01:50:08,050
except when the blue light flew over the

2475
01:50:12,030 --> 01:50:09,909
top of us by them and they briefly

2476
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:12,040
activated and that's a discrepancy

2477
01:50:16,649 --> 01:50:14,440
that's come up recently because Carl

2478
01:50:18,990 --> 01:50:16,659
Hall has now said that he could see us

2479
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,000
because the light house you know were

2480
01:50:24,089 --> 01:50:21,520
lit up the area but if you go back

2481
01:50:25,859 --> 01:50:24,099
earlier in time he always said to the

2482
01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:25,869
light I was never worked and had issues

2483
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:28,180
with the light house that they never did

2484
01:50:31,650 --> 01:50:30,010
function and like I said I saw them

2485
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,660
briefly come on and off when the blue

2486
01:50:36,450 --> 01:50:34,000
light passed over us and by the light

2487
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:36,460
all's brings it briefly can you tell the

2488
01:50:40,650 --> 01:50:39,250
audience what a light all is light oh

2489
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:40,660
this is what they used on the flight

2490
01:50:45,660 --> 01:50:43,210
line to work on aircraft at night and it

2491
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:45,670
was a generator with two lights on it

2492
01:50:49,290 --> 01:50:47,170
they could raise them up in the air and

2493
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:49,300
they could throw a light on aircraft but

2494
01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:51,490
we also used them for security also to

2495
01:50:55,740 --> 01:50:53,470
light up areas that you know that were

2496
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,750
dimly lit but there were some of them

2497
01:50:59,670 --> 01:50:57,520
that were brought out to the area and

2498
01:51:01,380 --> 01:50:59,680
what I was told was the reason why was

2499
01:51:02,850 --> 01:51:01,390
they put him in the area where we had

2500
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,860
our first night encounter to try to

2501
01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:05,440
light that area up a little bit and what

2502
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:08,950
was next question what was in the

2503
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:14,650
farmer's field on which night I guess

2504
01:51:19,620 --> 01:51:17,050
this would have been night three that's

2505
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:19,630
what a hall and there's a discrepancy on

2506
01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:21,970
that one of UI discrepancy we're not so

2507
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:24,580
sure that the first farmer's field is

2508
01:51:28,050 --> 01:51:26,260
where most of it took place or it's the

2509
01:51:29,550 --> 01:51:28,060
one where he went past the kaisers

2510
01:51:32,340 --> 01:51:29,560
across the road one or two the second

2511
01:51:34,380 --> 01:51:32,350
field and I think some of it did take

2512
01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:34,390
place in the first farmer's field and

2513
01:51:39,180 --> 01:51:37,120
then the second farmer's field was where

2514
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:39,190
more activity took place but that's all

2515
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:41,410
explained in the tape itself he

2516
01:51:46,290 --> 01:51:43,750
describes it real time so you need to

2517
01:51:48,090 --> 01:51:46,300
listen to the tape itself to go into

2518
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:48,100
what most of it took place on that night

2519
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:52,420
I have all of your hypnosis I'll just

2520
01:51:58,020 --> 01:51:55,000
read the whole quite we your name is

2521
01:52:00,330 --> 01:51:58,030
there I don't need to say it but is John

2522
01:52:03,870 --> 01:52:00,340
keeping some of his hypnosis sessions

2523
01:52:07,230 --> 01:52:03,880
private or has it all been released oh

2524
01:52:08,940 --> 01:52:07,240
no there's only been a brief clip of the

2525
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:08,950
two different sessions that took place

2526
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:12,130
and those are pretty stunning and if you

2527
01:52:16,890 --> 01:52:15,010
watch him especially both of them but

2528
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:16,900
the interesting thing on the first one

2529
01:52:23,790 --> 01:52:20,560
was what came out was that two things

2530
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:23,800
that are within the small clip that's

2531
01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:25,920
been released was it appears that I've

2532
01:52:30,750 --> 01:52:28,450
was able to have a conversation with

2533
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,760
this after the fact which some people

2534
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:33,040
call channeling but I had the ability

2535
01:52:38,370 --> 01:52:35,470
under hypnosis to have an interaction

2536
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:38,380
with whatever we dealt with and that was

2537
01:52:44,340 --> 01:52:41,920
in this interaction it comes out that

2538
01:52:46,650 --> 01:52:44,350
what we were seeing was light but the

2539
01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:46,660
light itself was energy and it was the

2540
01:52:52,979 --> 01:52:50,230
life form itself I want to before I get

2541
01:52:55,140 --> 01:52:52,989
back to the questions you had mentioned

2542
01:53:00,000 --> 01:52:55,150
to me earlier today something that I

2543
01:53:04,890 --> 01:53:00,010
didn't know about but that you and your

2544
01:53:07,050 --> 01:53:04,900
son recently had a DNA test done and the

2545
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,060
results are pretty now look I'm gonna

2546
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:09,760
tell everybody what my answer my

2547
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:12,489
reaction was to John if my answer was

2548
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:19,690
what okay so briefly because this is an

2549
01:53:26,189 --> 01:53:22,630
ongoing situation what happened with

2550
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:26,199
your son's DNA test well I'll do it as

2551
01:53:30,419 --> 01:53:27,730
briefly as I can and I'll give you a

2552
01:53:32,370 --> 01:53:30,429
summary of the testing that was done but

2553
01:53:34,350 --> 01:53:32,380
it all started with the fact that when

2554
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:34,360
we did the citizens hearing we did a

2555
01:53:39,630 --> 01:53:36,910
briefing to the X members of Congress

2556
01:53:43,650 --> 01:53:39,640
including my records were classified by

2557
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:43,660
medical records were classified my DD

2558
01:53:47,700 --> 01:53:46,210
Form 214 was altered to say I wasn't in

2559
01:53:51,150 --> 01:53:47,710
the Air Force when the event took place

2560
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:51,160
and then after this hearing a guy by the

2561
01:53:56,340 --> 01:53:53,650
name of dr. green showed up and

2562
01:53:59,130 --> 01:53:56,350
contacted the attorney that was working

2563
01:54:02,250 --> 01:53:59,140
with us and gave him a briefing and then

2564
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:02,260
came and visited myself me and Sedona

2565
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:04,090
brought my attorney and his wife out who

2566
01:54:08,220 --> 01:54:06,370
was an attorney and a nurse and gave us

2567
01:54:10,830 --> 01:54:08,230
a briefing on what they were looking at

2568
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:10,840
what they wanted to do with doing it

2569
01:54:14,820 --> 01:54:13,150
they were doing a DA in a study on other

2570
01:54:16,860 --> 01:54:14,830
individuals that have had encounters

2571
01:54:18,330 --> 01:54:16,870
besides myself and they were going to

2572
01:54:20,220 --> 01:54:18,340
take I think it was a hundred people

2573
01:54:22,620 --> 01:54:20,230
they wanted a hundred people that have

2574
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,630
had different encounters and do a DNA

2575
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:24,880
testing on that on top of the fact that

2576
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,110
they were also doing a MRI that could

2577
01:54:34,020 --> 01:54:31,360
show things in the brain that would

2578
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:34,030
identify interaction with the phenomenon

2579
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:36,130
itself - so those were the two things

2580
01:54:40,830 --> 01:54:38,860
that were looking at and when he came

2581
01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:40,840
out and visited me and there was another

2582
01:54:45,689 --> 01:54:44,230
whole story behind that with he wrote a

2583
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:45,699
confidential letter to the VA and

2584
01:54:49,260 --> 01:54:47,410
Department of Defense and that got me

2585
01:54:52,650 --> 01:54:49,270
some of the treatment I needed and and

2586
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:52,660
stuff and they wanted my DNA for this

2587
01:54:56,630 --> 01:54:54,210
study and I turned him down

2588
01:54:59,120 --> 01:54:56,640
just told him no I was I wasn't gonna do

2589
01:55:02,660 --> 01:54:59,130
it I met with dr. Nolan who was head of

2590
01:55:04,910 --> 01:55:02,670
the program and out of Stanford and :

2591
01:55:06,380 --> 01:55:04,920
Kelleher came down they tried to get me

2592
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:06,390
to get my DNA at this point I wouldn't

2593
01:55:10,220 --> 01:55:06,960
do it

2594
01:55:11,870 --> 01:55:10,230
I finally got my surgery I find out from

2595
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:11,880
John Alexander and I want to be clear

2596
01:55:15,620 --> 01:55:13,170
about this because people have gone

2597
01:55:18,830 --> 01:55:15,630
after dr. Nolan about this you know I

2598
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:18,840
never stole my hold on Gary Nolan yes

2599
01:55:24,860 --> 01:55:21,510
dr. Gary Nolan got it okay go ahead okay

2600
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:24,870
Gary Nolan never stole my DNA the the he

2601
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:26,760
never was involved in it what John

2602
01:55:31,580 --> 01:55:29,010
Alexander told me which I was naive

2603
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:31,590
about was when they did the surgery with

2604
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:35,010
at the VA there I do have some records

2605
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:36,810
that show that they drew some blood from

2606
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:39,570
me that they did a testing on my DNA

2607
01:55:45,620 --> 01:55:43,050
that way but they also got tissue so all

2608
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:45,630
right so we sum it up they got my DNA

2609
01:55:51,620 --> 01:55:48,270
through the VA through my surgery okay

2610
01:55:53,630 --> 01:55:51,630
Alexander confirms this okay then later

2611
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:53,640
on dr. Greene kicked green meets me

2612
01:55:58,340 --> 01:55:55,410
again comes and visits me in Illinois

2613
01:56:00,590 --> 01:55:58,350
and he talks to me about some other

2614
01:56:02,660 --> 01:56:00,600
stuff including some things he wanted me

2615
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:02,670
to start working on but he asked me

2616
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:05,250
again for my DNA sample and at that

2617
01:56:09,620 --> 01:56:07,080
point knowing what I already knew and

2618
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:09,630
the fact that I had some evidence that

2619
01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:12,840
they already had something on me I told

2620
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:14,520
him I would participate in their study

2621
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:17,370
so I gave my DNA for that but I asked

2622
01:56:22,490 --> 01:56:19,230
him for a favor and I said would you run

2623
01:56:25,190 --> 01:56:22,500
a DNA sample on my son and I and the

2624
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:25,200
reason was is I'm adopted so we had a

2625
01:56:28,700 --> 01:56:27,330
general idea because his family you know

2626
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:28,710
his mother's family tree and they've

2627
01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:31,050
done all that I had no idea what my

2628
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:33,510
heritage is so what happened was he

2629
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:36,450
agreed to take our samples of my son's

2630
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:40,290
DNA and my DNA and and have a lab in

2631
01:56:45,650 --> 01:56:42,650
Pennsylvania run a test on it okay and

2632
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:45,660
what I figured was I get back

2633
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:47,820
you know I'm Norwegian I'm this whatever

2634
01:56:52,970 --> 01:56:50,730
and you know and I get a sample of what

2635
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:52,980
the mixture of his mother's of mine and

2636
01:56:57,770 --> 01:56:55,650
we need to have a better idea and I get

2637
01:57:00,800 --> 01:56:57,780
a phone call about three months later

2638
01:57:04,030 --> 01:57:00,810
and I get told that that my sons and my

2639
01:57:06,530 --> 01:57:04,040
DNA are the two the most unique DNA in

2640
01:57:07,849 --> 01:57:06,540
history or mankind right and I'm like

2641
01:57:13,639 --> 01:57:07,859
what

2642
01:57:17,629 --> 01:57:13,649
you is just a brief summary of an

2643
01:57:19,219 --> 01:57:17,639
analysis and okay all right cuz they

2644
01:57:21,319 --> 01:57:19,229
ended up doing a follow up with his

2645
01:57:23,859 --> 01:57:21,329
mother's DNA and this is what I can tell

2646
01:57:26,869 --> 01:57:23,869
you about what came back all right

2647
01:57:29,029 --> 01:57:26,879
the state the state of the art on the

2648
01:57:31,459 --> 01:57:29,039
subject says that John's son has a

2649
01:57:33,500 --> 01:57:31,469
mother Worth European heritage but the

2650
01:57:36,079 --> 01:57:33,510
heritage is still vaguely identified

2651
01:57:40,219 --> 01:57:36,089
England and Belarus or completely

2652
01:57:44,049 --> 01:57:40,229
unknown okay some of the je hepl group

2653
01:57:46,869 --> 01:57:44,059
has has been found among in in his Ash

2654
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:46,879
Kaczynski Jew and in ancient military

2655
01:57:51,649 --> 01:57:50,010
Middle Eastern cemeteries as well but

2656
01:57:55,009 --> 01:57:51,659
does that that does not mean that the

2657
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:55,019
Pacific MT DNA profile in the report

2658
01:57:59,209 --> 01:57:57,570
comes from either heritage there's

2659
01:58:01,549 --> 01:57:59,219
another thing these tests done by

2660
01:58:02,689 --> 01:58:01,559
forensic labs are usually there to

2661
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,699
determine paternity and maternity

2662
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:04,800
ancestry and other requirements of

2663
01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:08,249
forensic science so they focus on hiv-1

2664
01:58:13,339 --> 01:58:11,249
and hiv-2 the vast bulk of the genome is

2665
01:58:16,579 --> 01:58:13,349
usually not tested as it doesn't show

2666
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:16,589
mutations which makes typing it almost

2667
01:58:21,079 --> 01:58:18,510
impossible however the rest of the

2668
01:58:23,540 --> 01:58:21,089
genome and they want to read the rest of

2669
01:58:24,979 --> 01:58:23,550
this the genome known as the coding

2670
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:24,989
region may have additional information

2671
01:58:29,779 --> 01:58:27,689
of interest and it just as I just don't

2672
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:29,789
know who obtained these databases so to

2673
01:58:38,089 --> 01:58:34,169
sum it up my son is in no database that

2674
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:38,099
they could find his DNA none his mother

2675
01:58:45,609 --> 01:58:42,329
has a little bit of heritage which is

2676
01:58:48,919 --> 01:58:45,619
most of it's unknown because Mitro or a

2677
01:58:50,449 --> 01:58:48,929
mitochondrial DNA and and my son is

2678
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:50,459
mostly from the mother though their

2679
01:58:55,159 --> 01:58:52,260
studies now saying the father's mixed in

2680
01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:55,169
too but she has very little heritage

2681
01:58:59,869 --> 01:58:56,729
other than it may come from the Middle

2682
01:59:01,669 --> 01:58:59,879
Eastern and the Jewish end and it's very

2683
01:59:04,729 --> 01:59:01,679
rare and it dates back to ancient times

2684
01:59:07,250 --> 01:59:04,739
my DNA according to them is very ancient

2685
01:59:08,989 --> 01:59:07,260
back to ancient times and I of all I

2686
01:59:11,959 --> 01:59:08,999
have all alike

2687
01:59:13,849 --> 01:59:11,969
Native American DNA which at the time

2688
01:59:16,579 --> 01:59:13,859
when I first was told this I was like

2689
01:59:18,949 --> 01:59:16,589
what I'm white but there are studies out

2690
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:18,959
there that you could be white but still

2691
01:59:25,130 --> 01:59:21,210
have all heritage of

2692
01:59:27,770 --> 01:59:25,140
of Native American or from the other

2693
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:27,780
groups in over in Africa and stuff like

2694
01:59:33,860 --> 01:59:30,170
that that are all native what do you

2695
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:33,870
what do you mean when you say I want to

2696
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:37,130
be clear here that your son has no

2697
01:59:42,170 --> 01:59:39,930
heritage your son has no DNA that

2698
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:42,180
doesn't make any sense is that he does

2699
01:59:47,150 --> 01:59:44,130
he's not in any database but that

2700
01:59:49,010 --> 01:59:47,160
doesn't make any sense is he your son no

2701
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:49,020
he's my son that's what I mean they'd a

2702
01:59:53,390 --> 01:59:51,110
actually confirmed it

2703
01:59:57,020 --> 01:59:53,400
that his mother's a mother I'm the

2704
01:59:59,300 --> 01:59:57,030
father right but we have to what what

2705
02:00:01,190 --> 01:59:59,310
they've said to me is that both his

2706
02:00:03,500 --> 02:00:01,200
mother and I bread lines are so rare

2707
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:03,510
what were the odds that we even came

2708
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:07,010
together to have a child that created

2709
02:00:16,220 --> 02:00:12,090
the DNA is DNA that's in no database and

2710
02:00:18,290 --> 02:00:16,230
and so your shouldn't you know Gary

2711
02:00:19,610 --> 02:00:18,300
Nolan you know could explain something

2712
02:00:21,700 --> 02:00:19,620
like this or somebody that knows what

2713
02:00:25,820 --> 02:00:21,710
they're talking about I'm certainly not

2714
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:25,830
any authority here but shouldn't your

2715
02:00:33,290 --> 02:00:29,010
and you're his mother you're your wife

2716
02:00:36,470 --> 02:00:33,300
the or and shouldn't that DNA at the

2717
02:00:38,510 --> 02:00:36,480
very least be present that heritage your

2718
02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:38,520
heritage be present and your son's DNA

2719
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:40,710
all I'm missing something here well

2720
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:43,170
that's my question and what I'm trying

2721
02:00:49,460 --> 02:00:44,970
to get at is is what they're saying is

2722
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:49,470
that the mothers the mitochondrial my

2723
02:00:54,260 --> 02:00:52,170
son from the mother is very vague and

2724
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:54,270
most of it's unidentified it's not

2725
02:01:01,420 --> 02:00:57,810
identified in any DNA base and my son's

2726
02:01:03,530 --> 02:01:01,430
DNA is in no database so whatever

2727
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:03,540
genetics are in his DNA

2728
02:01:07,130 --> 02:01:05,850
there's no nothing to compare it to

2729
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:07,140
how's that possible

2730
02:01:13,970 --> 02:01:10,650
well they it's very rare it is your DNA

2731
02:01:15,230 --> 02:01:13,980
has it been altered my well that's one

2732
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:15,240
of the questions that you can't get a

2733
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:16,560
straight answer on and what I mean by

2734
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:19,520
that is this is what they're working on

2735
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:22,320
supposedly not just with me but all the

2736
02:01:27,500 --> 02:01:24,330
other people have had encounters they're

2737
02:01:30,050 --> 02:01:27,510
very vague on whether the damage to the

2738
02:01:32,690 --> 02:01:30,060
brain is from the can't counter or if

2739
02:01:34,670 --> 02:01:32,700
it's prior to the encounter which leads

2740
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:34,680
to the encounter they're very vague

2741
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:35,610
about what there

2742
02:01:41,209 --> 02:01:38,250
they're looking at overall with the DNA

2743
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:41,219
and what I do know I don't even try to

2744
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:43,530
explain because I wouldn't probably do

2745
02:01:49,310 --> 02:01:46,770
it justice but what about your family

2746
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:49,320
John Deere brothers sisters I I'm

2747
02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:51,599
adopted I have no I have no idea that's

2748
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:53,369
why I asked for agreeing to do it in the

2749
02:01:56,799 --> 02:01:54,960
first place yeah I know you're adopted

2750
02:01:59,600 --> 02:01:56,809
but I mean do you have brothers I mean

2751
02:02:01,939 --> 02:01:59,610
do you know if you have family out there

2752
02:02:03,740 --> 02:02:01,949
I have no idea where anything about my

2753
02:02:05,359 --> 02:02:03,750
family okay I've never been able to

2754
02:02:07,100 --> 02:02:05,369
track him down and never found anything

2755
02:02:10,939 --> 02:02:07,110
out about it and that was the whole

2756
02:02:12,500 --> 02:02:10,949
purpose of this was to go and I didn't

2757
02:02:14,089 --> 02:02:12,510
know the database was gonna be done this

2758
02:02:16,459 --> 02:02:14,099
stuff but it was simply what's gonna

2759
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:16,469
come back on me so where am i from and

2760
02:02:21,919 --> 02:02:19,290
I'm from mostly Africa from Middle East

2761
02:02:25,250 --> 02:02:21,929
in that area that's what little there is

2762
02:02:27,609 --> 02:02:25,260
and I'm in only one database and they

2763
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:27,619
said that's mine they somehow know that

2764
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:32,250
whatever the DNA that they took from me

2765
02:02:36,799 --> 02:02:34,500
was already been pre identified which

2766
02:02:39,500 --> 02:02:36,809
means somebody else had already tested

2767
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:39,510
my DNA which leads back to probably

2768
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:42,090
that's what Alexander told me was they

2769
02:02:46,010 --> 02:02:43,290
took my DNA

2770
02:02:48,649 --> 02:02:46,020
when they did my surgery and that was in

2771
02:02:50,890 --> 02:02:48,659
the database something something smells

2772
02:02:54,169 --> 02:02:50,900
here something's a little stinky John

2773
02:02:57,169 --> 02:02:54,179
you know and I don't know what it is but

2774
02:03:01,010 --> 02:02:57,179
you're adopted and so somebody with

2775
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:01,020
crazy DNA that is adopted is present and

2776
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:05,130
one of the craziest UFO incidents in

2777
02:03:11,330 --> 02:03:07,920
human history that's that's way beyond

2778
02:03:12,979 --> 02:03:11,340
coinkidink here well no there's no doubt

2779
02:03:14,629 --> 02:03:12,989
there's all kinds of strange things that

2780
02:03:15,799 --> 02:03:14,639
have happened different people I've met

2781
02:03:18,799 --> 02:03:15,809
different things that have been

2782
02:03:21,620 --> 02:03:18,809
presented to me just that dr. Greene

2783
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:21,630
showed up in the first place some of the

2784
02:03:27,470 --> 02:03:23,760
other people I met you know with the

2785
02:03:28,910 --> 02:03:27,480
whole thing the whole study the whole to

2786
02:03:30,859 --> 02:03:28,920
the Stars thing because one of the

2787
02:03:33,049 --> 02:03:30,869
things that they're talking about that

2788
02:03:35,780 --> 02:03:33,059
they're going to come out with is and it

2789
02:03:38,030 --> 02:03:35,790
has been somewhat released now that that

2790
02:03:39,740 --> 02:03:38,040
the Harry Reid stuff really a lot of

2791
02:03:41,629 --> 02:03:39,750
that funding went towards skinwalker

2792
02:03:43,790 --> 02:03:41,639
ranch itself and the research went on

2793
02:03:45,919 --> 02:03:43,800
and they actually did bring special ops

2794
02:03:47,649 --> 02:03:45,929
in some of those guys had an encounter

2795
02:03:50,050 --> 02:03:47,659
with what was ever there and

2796
02:03:52,300 --> 02:03:50,060
cause effects on them there's been other

2797
02:03:54,910 --> 02:03:52,310
incidents that haven't been made public

2798
02:03:56,890 --> 02:03:54,920
that are still classified that guys have

2799
02:03:59,439 --> 02:03:56,900
been injured by and had weird things

2800
02:04:02,410 --> 02:03:59,449
happen even afterwards and that these

2801
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:02,420
because these these guys aren't you know

2802
02:04:05,740 --> 02:04:04,639
out there and these programs are out

2803
02:04:08,260 --> 02:04:05,750
there they're having trouble getting

2804
02:04:10,570 --> 02:04:08,270
them treatment so one of their goals is

2805
02:04:12,490 --> 02:04:10,580
they they interviewed me and they want

2806
02:04:15,160 --> 02:04:12,500
to put this out and they want to force

2807
02:04:16,540 --> 02:04:15,170
Congress if not publicly all the time

2808
02:04:18,189 --> 02:04:16,550
necessary with all the things that have

2809
02:04:19,660 --> 02:04:18,199
happened but they want to start getting

2810
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:19,670
some of these other people treatment and

2811
02:04:23,919 --> 02:04:21,650
care and then also some of these people

2812
02:04:26,740 --> 02:04:23,929
have already died from their encounters

2813
02:04:29,709 --> 02:04:26,750
now I'm free to ask whatever I want

2814
02:04:32,649 --> 02:04:29,719
right you can deny right okay are we

2815
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:32,659
clear on that yeah okay good I'm gonna

2816
02:04:37,209 --> 02:04:34,370
go there right now

2817
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:37,219
it has been alleged that there may have

2818
02:04:46,419 --> 02:04:42,050
been a physical debris retrieved from

2819
02:04:50,350 --> 02:04:46,429
the incident that may be right now being

2820
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:50,360
analyzed by possibly I need your

2821
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:53,199
clarification if you can to the stars

2822
02:04:57,790 --> 02:04:55,370
right and that's the thing that's

2823
02:04:59,530 --> 02:04:57,800
happening what through the stars um when

2824
02:05:01,959 --> 02:04:59,540
I when I got contacted and was

2825
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:01,969
interviewed it was supposed to kind of

2826
02:05:07,330 --> 02:05:04,400
stay quiet and then they interviewed the

2827
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:07,340
lady from McCain's office and she was

2828
02:05:11,379 --> 02:05:09,650
allowed to talk about it and then a

2829
02:05:13,300 --> 02:05:11,389
Lozano came out and said Rendlesham was

2830
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:13,310
going to be a focal point DeLong

2831
02:05:17,290 --> 02:05:15,170
released some papers that show that they

2832
02:05:19,899 --> 02:05:17,300
had some material from Rendell firm that

2833
02:05:21,729 --> 02:05:19,909
was being analyzed then the stuff I sent

2834
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:21,739
you from Ronnie Dugdale that he had

2835
02:05:26,290 --> 02:05:23,690
given to him it appears that's been

2836
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:26,300
turned over a sample has been turned

2837
02:05:29,979 --> 02:05:28,130
over to be analyzed it's got bhisma in

2838
02:05:32,379 --> 02:05:29,989
it which is one of the things that Linda

2839
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:32,389
Moulton Howe got from Roswell right so

2840
02:05:36,490 --> 02:05:34,880
there's some stuff there now one of the

2841
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:36,500
things that could be the first part was

2842
02:05:40,479 --> 02:05:39,050
that Gabriel came in and a team did come

2843
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:40,489
in afterwards and Gabriel came in

2844
02:05:44,140 --> 02:05:42,110
shortly afterwards and took everything

2845
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:44,150
involving Rendell's from and Hall even

2846
02:05:48,700 --> 02:05:45,710
said there were samples taken and stuff

2847
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:48,710
recovered that he didn't really specify

2848
02:05:52,450 --> 02:05:50,690
what was recovered other than samples

2849
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:52,460
were taken and that was taken away by

2850
02:05:54,729 --> 02:05:54,170
Gabriel so maybe some of that's been

2851
02:05:57,370 --> 02:05:54,739
turned over

2852
02:05:59,560 --> 02:05:57,380
is there a chain of is there a chain of

2853
02:06:00,430 --> 02:05:59,570
command between two the stars all the

2854
02:06:02,530 --> 02:06:00,440
way back to red

2855
02:06:06,220 --> 02:06:02,540
with this material that it did come from

2856
02:06:09,610 --> 02:06:06,230
Rendlesham well that's another whole

2857
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:09,620
story in itself to me because richard

2858
02:06:15,010 --> 02:06:12,890
Dodi's come out and instead because he's

2859
02:06:17,980 --> 02:06:15,020
tied to Kirkland and that whole incident

2860
02:06:20,890 --> 02:06:17,990
and some other stuff and he was OSI and

2861
02:06:23,950 --> 02:06:20,900
he he's seen the report on Rendlesham

2862
02:06:25,720 --> 02:06:23,960
and he's revealed some stuff that he saw

2863
02:06:27,610 --> 02:06:25,730
in the report that no one's ever was

2864
02:06:31,180 --> 02:06:27,620
made public that I was aware of so we've

2865
02:06:33,460 --> 02:06:31,190
seen something and he says that no doubt

2866
02:06:35,980 --> 02:06:33,470
the known he was the NSA involved but

2867
02:06:39,190 --> 02:06:35,990
the CIA were involved and he implicated

2868
02:06:41,710 --> 02:06:39,200
that dr. green was involved from the

2869
02:06:45,190 --> 02:06:41,720
beginning of Rendlesham going forward

2870
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:45,200
based on what was going on so yeah

2871
02:06:50,860 --> 02:06:48,050
there's all kinds of implications Dana

2872
02:06:52,660 --> 02:06:50,870
you you almost you almost just took the

2873
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:52,670
wind out of the sails of this entire

2874
02:06:57,550 --> 02:06:55,760
thing when you bring up Richard Doty and

2875
02:07:01,950 --> 02:06:57,560
and you know what I'm talking about here

2876
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:01,960
you disinformation right yeah right and

2877
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:04,490
but he's bringing up KITT green and

2878
02:07:08,860 --> 02:07:05,690
fault with friends from from the

2879
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:08,870
beginning CIA and NSA were involved you

2880
02:07:12,700 --> 02:07:10,490
almost would Dodi he got to flip it over

2881
02:07:14,230 --> 02:07:12,710
180 degrees and now you have the truth

2882
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:14,240
nobody here's the thing there's two

2883
02:07:17,590 --> 02:07:15,860
things about this though that are

2884
02:07:19,690 --> 02:07:17,600
interesting number one he knew about

2885
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:19,700
stuff that never been gone public right

2886
02:07:24,610 --> 02:07:21,770
so he knows something right and number

2887
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:24,620
two the agents that were involved he

2888
02:07:29,530 --> 02:07:26,480
gate he actually had an interaction with

2889
02:07:32,230 --> 02:07:29,540
them okay and Hall confirmed that these

2890
02:07:34,810 --> 02:07:32,240
agents were there and they gave me a

2891
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:34,820
brief synopsis of what went on and then

2892
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:37,370
when all this hit the fan this would

2893
02:07:41,140 --> 02:07:39,050
have been back about six seven months

2894
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:41,150
ago then all of a sudden they came back

2895
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:42,770
because I was going to get in and get to

2896
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:44,690
meet with them and they said that the

2897
02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:47,090
reports now been pulled and is being

2898
02:07:52,750 --> 02:07:49,750
used and being reviewed by Congress and

2899
02:07:54,580 --> 02:07:52,760
that they no longer are allowed to

2900
02:07:57,070 --> 02:07:54,590
discuss this further with anybody and

2901
02:08:00,580 --> 02:07:57,080
that they've been they have had to brief

2902
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:00,590
some people inside Congress about the

2903
02:08:04,090 --> 02:08:02,810
whole incident itself okay let's take a

2904
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:04,100
break right here we're gonna get head

2905
02:08:08,020 --> 02:08:06,350
into overtime I have another comment I

2906
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:08,030
don't know how we did it John we ran out

2907
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:11,690
of time again I've got 25 or 30

2908
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:13,110
questions here so

2909
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:14,250
we're gonna come back we're gonna go

2910
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:17,400
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John burrows putting a fork in

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Rendlesham the last word this is fade to

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[Music]

3001
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:25,060
all right welcome back to fade to black

3002
02:13:29,229 --> 02:13:26,690
our guest tonight John Burroughs going

3003
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:29,239
straight into overtime and I'm gonna get

3004
02:13:33,370 --> 02:13:31,070
to things as quick as possible we've got

3005
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:33,380
a lot of questions here posted from all

3006
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of you of getting them via email and

3007
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Twitter and so we're gonna get straight

3008
02:13:44,010 --> 02:13:41,750
to it John and let's let's see if we can

3009
02:13:47,290 --> 02:13:44,020
get through these as quick as possible

3010
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:47,300
here we go question next question I

3011
02:13:52,839 --> 02:13:49,790
should say about Rendlesham did Colonel

3012
02:13:56,850 --> 02:13:52,849
halt ever threaten you as he did during

3013
02:14:00,250 --> 02:13:56,860
production of the Larry King program

3014
02:14:03,550 --> 02:14:00,260
he's never threatened me but he's made

3015
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:03,560
it clear that he's more along the lines

3016
02:14:11,070 --> 02:14:07,730
of he wants to protect whatever happened

3017
02:14:13,870 --> 02:14:11,080
on that third night and that he also

3018
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:13,880
doesn't like the fact that I continue to

3019
02:14:18,370 --> 02:14:15,530
challenge different things and ask

3020
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:18,380
questions so not directly threaten me

3021
02:14:22,930 --> 02:14:20,239
but he's not happy with some of the

3022
02:14:24,910 --> 02:14:22,940
things that I've uncovered or done so

3023
02:14:29,740 --> 02:14:24,920
that's the best way to put that and

3024
02:14:31,540 --> 02:14:29,750
let's see next it did okay again some of

3025
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:31,550
these are a little bit repetitive but

3026
02:14:36,700 --> 02:14:33,920
you know for clarification let's just do

3027
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:36,710
this did John see the weaking eye light

3028
02:14:42,060 --> 02:14:38,690
floating and weaving through the forest

3029
02:14:44,620 --> 02:14:42,070
and how could that have been faked

3030
02:14:47,530 --> 02:14:44,630
no I didn't and it would necessarily

3031
02:14:49,660 --> 02:14:47,540
didn't have to be faked but again like I

3032
02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:49,670
talked about earlier James Worrell we've

3033
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,920
uncovered James and I've done some

3034
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:53,360
research at work and know with others

3035
02:14:58,089 --> 02:14:55,520
too that was uncovered that we actually

3036
02:14:59,680 --> 02:14:58,099
did have technology even back then that

3037
02:15:01,500 --> 02:14:59,690
we were working on that could explain

3038
02:15:04,510 --> 02:15:01,510
some of what we saw on what took place

3039
02:15:08,830 --> 02:15:04,520
would you please ask John what he saw in

3040
02:15:12,040 --> 02:15:08,840
his dreams after the experience I've

3041
02:15:14,010 --> 02:15:12,050
never really had any really major dreams

3042
02:15:17,709 --> 02:15:14,020
about the experience but others have

3043
02:15:19,540 --> 02:15:17,719
Penniston has had had has had problems

3044
02:15:22,330 --> 02:15:19,550
over the years with dreams that's why I

3045
02:15:25,060 --> 02:15:22,340
went under hypnosis and a dreamer stenz

3046
02:15:27,729 --> 02:15:25,070
has had a lot of dreams about it itself

3047
02:15:29,649 --> 02:15:27,739
okay let's shift over to night three

3048
02:15:31,610 --> 02:15:29,659
after John's incident where he and

3049
02:15:34,850 --> 02:15:31,620
Adrian boost insa were allowed by

3050
02:15:39,500 --> 02:15:34,860
halt to go forward were there lights

3051
02:15:41,810 --> 02:15:39,510
flying about at that time yeah there was

3052
02:15:45,560 --> 02:15:41,820
there was there was the orange hue that

3053
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:45,570
came down and I do remember again seeing

3054
02:15:49,220 --> 02:15:47,610
some of the well actually the first

3055
02:15:51,290 --> 02:15:49,230
night I didn't really remember the blue

3056
02:15:52,970 --> 02:15:51,300
lights when we got close to her but on

3057
02:15:55,070 --> 02:15:52,980
the third night there was definitely

3058
02:15:55,580 --> 02:15:55,080
some blue lights around whatever this

3059
02:15:59,270 --> 02:15:55,590
was

3060
02:16:01,100 --> 02:15:59,280
did you set off to investigate one of

3061
02:16:03,890 --> 02:16:01,110
these lights remember I'm reading this

3062
02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:03,900
as it's typed okay everybody okay do

3063
02:16:08,930 --> 02:16:06,050
they set off to investigate one of these

3064
02:16:10,970 --> 02:16:08,940
lights as they witnessed to send into

3065
02:16:13,340 --> 02:16:10,980
the forest or did they just go to

3066
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:13,350
investigate the first night's landing

3067
02:16:18,890 --> 02:16:15,930
site as Colonel halt has recently

3068
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:18,900
claimed well Colonel halt claimed it

3069
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:20,370
yeah they went out there to look at the

3070
02:16:24,530 --> 02:16:22,650
other side but what started the whole

3071
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:24,540
thing was when England showed up at the

3072
02:16:31,370 --> 02:16:28,850
Christmas party and told arm Conrad and

3073
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:31,380
Ziegler that the lights were back again

3074
02:16:36,020 --> 02:16:33,930
and that's when Conrad sent halt

3075
02:16:37,490 --> 02:16:36,030
according to halt out into the forest to

3076
02:16:40,010 --> 02:16:37,500
find out what they were seeing that

3077
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:40,020
night and then also part of what they

3078
02:16:44,120 --> 02:16:41,490
wanted to do was look at the first night

3079
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:44,130
yeah halt was at the Christmas party too

3080
02:16:47,240 --> 02:16:45,030
he had to split

3081
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:47,250
he was totally going investigate okay

3082
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:51,690
right let's see did John see the light

3083
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:54,450
in the field beyond the force that it

3084
02:16:59,780 --> 02:16:57,090
allegedly burst into multiple objects

3085
02:17:01,340 --> 02:16:59,790
that shot into the sky nope that was

3086
02:17:04,670 --> 02:17:01,350
Colonel halt that was prior to me going

3087
02:17:06,890 --> 02:17:04,680
out there was John what is John's

3088
02:17:07,460 --> 02:17:06,900
opinion and this is good rapid-fire

3089
02:17:09,590 --> 02:17:07,470
right

3090
02:17:12,140 --> 02:17:09,600
what is John's opinion on the binary

3091
02:17:14,330 --> 02:17:12,150
code that came out many years later was

3092
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:14,340
it a suppressed memory by Penniston or

3093
02:17:18,350 --> 02:17:16,250
was it something else

3094
02:17:19,700 --> 02:17:18,360
the only thing I'm gonna say about the

3095
02:17:21,860 --> 02:17:19,710
binary for now because they're getting

3096
02:17:25,460 --> 02:17:21,870
ready to put a buck out on this so I'll

3097
02:17:28,730 --> 02:17:25,470
let them explain it is that in hypnosis

3098
02:17:31,791 --> 02:17:28,740
back I think it was a 94 Penniston did

3099
02:17:35,570 --> 02:17:31,801
go talk about having some kind of binary

3100
02:17:38,630 --> 02:17:35,580
and being interrogated and as far as the

3101
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:38,640
binary itself there's that it didn't

3102
02:17:44,060 --> 02:17:41,330
come out to the 30 year mark and there's

3103
02:17:45,379 --> 02:17:44,070
discrepancies on why it didn't come out

3104
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:45,389
and all that so

3105
02:17:50,209 --> 02:17:47,010
the best thing I would tell them is this

3106
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:50,219
or if you want to know read a book and

3107
02:17:56,089 --> 02:17:53,490
then ask them about the binary because I

3108
02:17:57,860 --> 02:17:56,099
have questions and I don't feel totally

3109
02:17:59,780 --> 02:17:57,870
comfortable with it myself

3110
02:18:02,690 --> 02:17:59,790
but at the same time you can't rule out

3111
02:18:04,879 --> 02:18:02,700
the fact that under hypnosis before you

3112
02:18:06,470 --> 02:18:04,889
ever talk about the binary it did come

3113
02:18:09,980 --> 02:18:06,480
out there was binary involved

3114
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:09,990
do you have flashbacks today to the

3115
02:18:14,930 --> 02:18:13,710
incident that's the question so what is

3116
02:18:17,390 --> 02:18:14,940
no not really

3117
02:18:21,230 --> 02:18:17,400
yeah I mean what does that kind of

3118
02:18:23,570 --> 02:18:21,240
question mean to you well I I guess it

3119
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:23,580
could be all kinds of things do I do I

3120
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:27,840
like have PTSD from it do I have dreams

3121
02:18:34,910 --> 02:18:31,040
issues and no I never really had that

3122
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:34,920
that that happened to me like others

3123
02:18:38,540 --> 02:18:36,960
said they have you don't wake up in the

3124
02:18:41,300 --> 02:18:38,550
middle of the night in a cold sweat I'm

3125
02:18:43,129 --> 02:18:41,310
pulling out I've woke up covered in

3126
02:18:46,490 --> 02:18:43,139
sweat and different things like that

3127
02:18:50,620 --> 02:18:46,500
but it's not directly tied to me having

3128
02:18:55,310 --> 02:18:50,630
a dream about what happened that night

3129
02:18:57,290 --> 02:18:55,320
this the other part about this what I

3130
02:18:58,879 --> 02:18:57,300
was going to say was you don't reach

3131
02:19:01,280 --> 02:18:58,889
into your nightstand for your 9

3132
02:19:01,700 --> 02:19:01,290
millimeter high for your Glock in a cold

3133
02:19:05,060 --> 02:19:01,710
sweat

3134
02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:05,070
were you ever were you ever checked for

3135
02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:08,969
radioactivity no that was one of the

3136
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:10,889
things that we were curious about from

3137
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:14,810
the beginning was that um why we weren't

3138
02:19:20,390 --> 02:19:18,000
looked at medically the according you

3139
02:19:23,780 --> 02:19:20,400
know to what we remember but then there

3140
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:23,790
was a an airman that was involved from a

3141
02:19:30,919 --> 02:19:26,639
different squadron that does remember us

3142
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:30,929
being hauled away on the couple

3143
02:19:34,339 --> 02:19:32,370
different nights and there was some

3144
02:19:36,770 --> 02:19:34,349
people there that were checking us but I

3145
02:19:38,270 --> 02:19:36,780
don't remember that but they didn't ever

3146
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:38,280
and did come over and say that did take

3147
02:19:54,290 --> 02:19:51,590
how far from the staging area did he and

3148
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,300
Adrian venture and did any of Colonel

3149
02:19:59,381 --> 02:19:57,200
halts party follow them

3150
02:20:02,350 --> 02:19:59,391
well I'm not really sure how far we went

3151
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:02,360
but it was it was we went into a pretty

3152
02:20:07,180 --> 02:20:05,210
good run so it was probably you know

3153
02:20:10,020 --> 02:20:07,190
three or four football fields at least

3154
02:20:12,400 --> 02:20:10,030
and that's what I'm saying and Hall I

3155
02:20:14,410 --> 02:20:12,410
guarantee we're gonna follow this you

3156
02:20:16,421 --> 02:20:14,420
know he would have saw the object sauce

3157
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:16,431
going towards it now all claims he could

3158
02:20:20,730 --> 02:20:17,840
see it's the whole time and he didn't

3159
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:20,740
really think anything happened but um

3160
02:20:26,171 --> 02:20:23,690
there's no doubt he tracked what was

3161
02:20:28,930 --> 02:20:26,181
going on and and that's what he's been

3162
02:20:31,091 --> 02:20:28,940
covering forever whatever he saw take

3163
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:31,101
place with us he didn't want to admit we

3164
02:20:35,320 --> 02:20:32,630
were there little won't talk about what

3165
02:20:37,330 --> 02:20:35,330
he saw happen did you ever look over

3166
02:20:39,970 --> 02:20:37,340
your shoulder you know I'm sure that

3167
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:39,980
there were flashlights and and things

3168
02:20:43,810 --> 02:20:42,170
that everybody had did you ever look

3169
02:20:47,381 --> 02:20:43,820
over your shoulder to see if you were

3170
02:20:53,171 --> 02:20:47,391
being followed no okay

3171
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:53,181
what is John's record lik recollect what

3172
02:20:57,700 --> 02:20:55,130
is John's recollection of what happened

3173
02:21:00,210 --> 02:20:57,710
next we're Colonel halts party still at

3174
02:21:02,650 --> 02:21:00,220
the staging area when you returned

3175
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:02,660
that's what I said earlier Adrian and I

3176
02:21:06,850 --> 02:21:04,730
both don't have much of a memory other

3177
02:21:08,530 --> 02:21:06,860
than I remember looking back at and I

3178
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:08,540
remember we kind of started heading back

3179
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:10,970
and then we don't have much memory at

3180
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,250
all or what took place from that point

3181
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:14,960
until the next day now

3182
02:21:19,930 --> 02:21:17,050
would you call that memory loss then

3183
02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:19,940
yeah I mean I don't understand I mean I

3184
02:21:23,440 --> 02:21:20,720
can remember

3185
02:21:25,390 --> 02:21:23,450
certain parts of it or I remember

3186
02:21:28,390 --> 02:21:25,400
vaguely some and hypnosis seemed to

3187
02:21:30,671 --> 02:21:28,400
reinforce it and go into more detail but

3188
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:30,681
yeah there are there are gaps there are

3189
02:21:34,690 --> 02:21:33,290
gaps that I can't explain I can remember

3190
02:21:36,430 --> 02:21:34,700
things that happened to me all through

3191
02:21:38,020 --> 02:21:36,440
my military career but one of the most

3192
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:38,030
important nights the things I just can't

3193
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:40,730
remember now and staying on this before

3194
02:21:46,060 --> 02:21:42,410
I get back to the questions when you

3195
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:46,070
went home after that you know the third

3196
02:21:50,051 --> 02:21:48,650
night with boost Enza did you do your

3197
02:21:51,341 --> 02:21:50,061
memories pickup from there do you

3198
02:21:52,930 --> 02:21:51,351
remember going to bed do you remember

3199
02:21:55,870 --> 02:21:52,940
taking off your clothes do you remember

3200
02:21:58,960 --> 02:21:55,880
everything solid after that well on the

3201
02:22:01,720 --> 02:21:58,970
census night the first memory I have was

3202
02:22:04,690 --> 02:22:01,730
in the early evening I was standing at

3203
02:22:06,940 --> 02:22:04,700
the post office and I watched the c5

3204
02:22:09,341 --> 02:22:06,950
come in from Langley go back to the

3205
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:09,351
restricted area and then I remember

3206
02:22:12,970 --> 02:22:09,690
going

3207
02:22:16,251 --> 02:22:12,980
house to talk to him about what happened

3208
02:22:18,110 --> 02:22:16,261
that on the Saturday night and then

3209
02:22:20,390 --> 02:22:18,120
figure out when we were gonna go to work

3210
02:22:22,490 --> 02:22:20,400
on Monday what time we were leaving so I

3211
02:22:25,551 --> 02:22:22,500
don't have any memory and neither does

3212
02:22:28,131 --> 02:22:25,561
Adrian he does not have very little of

3213
02:22:31,220 --> 02:22:28,141
any memory of what happened from that

3214
02:22:33,261 --> 02:22:31,230
point going forward next up I have heard

3215
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:33,271
that Colonel halt was angry that John

3216
02:22:38,570 --> 02:22:35,370
and his other men might have been messed

3217
02:22:41,661 --> 02:22:38,580
with by intelligence agents using drugs

3218
02:22:45,011 --> 02:22:41,671
in a debrief Jimmy please ask John if

3219
02:22:49,581 --> 02:22:45,021
there's any truth to this if so is

3220
02:22:53,631 --> 02:22:49,591
MKULTRA related perhaps well okay

3221
02:22:56,001 --> 02:22:53,641
the first part is Hall is basically said

3222
02:22:59,450 --> 02:22:56,011
secondhand stuff about us being

3223
02:23:01,131 --> 02:22:59,460
debriefed and that comes from like some

3224
02:23:04,371 --> 02:23:01,141
of the different things set like Warren

3225
02:23:06,020 --> 02:23:04,381
missed Inza talked about it Penniston

3226
02:23:08,871 --> 02:23:06,030
didn't talk about it until after his

3227
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:08,881
hypnosis because he remembers going into

3228
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:10,530
aasaiya briefly writing a statement

3229
02:23:15,530 --> 02:23:13,200
talking to him about it and then only in

3230
02:23:18,081 --> 02:23:15,540
hypnosis did he remember that more

3231
02:23:22,220 --> 02:23:18,091
things took place and and I've called

3232
02:23:24,171 --> 02:23:22,230
halt on that and he basically when it

3233
02:23:26,690 --> 02:23:24,181
got serious with this old SCI report

3234
02:23:28,011 --> 02:23:26,700
from supposedly surfacing oh and one

3235
02:23:30,081 --> 02:23:28,021
other thing Jimmy I don't know if you're

3236
02:23:33,261 --> 02:23:30,091
aware of but I'm not gonna be able to

3237
02:23:35,121 --> 02:23:33,271
tell you who but there's a second person

3238
02:23:37,940 --> 02:23:35,131
that was involved in this incident that

3239
02:23:39,890 --> 02:23:37,950
Scott compensation from the Department

3240
02:23:42,171 --> 02:23:39,900
of Defense for the incident and he you

3241
02:23:43,881 --> 02:23:42,181
know this has fact yes I know this is

3242
02:23:46,850 --> 02:23:43,891
fact I was involved in helping that

3243
02:23:49,911 --> 02:23:46,860
person get it and that was one of the

3244
02:23:52,341 --> 02:23:49,921
things that was being asked about based

3245
02:23:54,291 --> 02:23:52,351
on the evidence that the Department of

3246
02:23:56,541 --> 02:23:54,301
the defense the you know not remember

3247
02:23:59,411 --> 02:23:56,551
this is years later and even the VA are

3248
02:24:02,780 --> 02:23:59,421
starting to ask questions about well

3249
02:24:05,511 --> 02:24:02,790
these guys were interrogated this stuff

3250
02:24:07,881 --> 02:24:05,521
took place we need some more answers to

3251
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:07,891
what what happened why did this take

3252
02:24:12,711 --> 02:24:08,160
place

3253
02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:12,721
so they based on my settlement that the

3254
02:24:16,461 --> 02:24:14,490
they said I was injured during the event

3255
02:24:18,621 --> 02:24:16,471
and this other persons they're now

3256
02:24:21,020 --> 02:24:18,631
starting to ask more questions to

3257
02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:21,030
include they wanted a affidavit from

3258
02:24:29,140 --> 02:24:23,450
Hall who refused to give it

3259
02:24:33,261 --> 02:24:29,150
these I mentioned earlier in the show

3260
02:24:36,291 --> 02:24:33,271
the book sky crash a cosmic conspiracy

3261
02:24:37,881 --> 02:24:36,301
and I believe that book I could be wrong

3262
02:24:41,631 --> 02:24:37,891
this is my memory but it came out in the

3263
02:24:44,001 --> 02:24:41,641
mid-80s and that was a Brenda Butler and

3264
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:44,011
dot Street and of course Jenny Randall's

3265
02:24:49,761 --> 02:24:47,610
and through you know I spent so much

3266
02:24:51,230 --> 02:24:49,771
time researching this and and back then

3267
02:24:55,251 --> 02:24:51,240
and the mid dinies I happen to get a

3268
02:24:56,841 --> 02:24:55,261
copy of the book and so to that end it's

3269
02:24:59,600 --> 02:24:56,851
kind of funny that I mentioned Brenda

3270
02:25:02,360 --> 02:24:59,610
Butler and I have some questions from

3271
02:25:05,930 --> 02:25:02,370
her do you want to take a crack at these

3272
02:25:08,871 --> 02:25:05,940
sure okay night one and this is from

3273
02:25:10,701 --> 02:25:08,881
Brenda Butler who wrote co-wrote along

3274
02:25:13,881 --> 02:25:10,711
with Jenny Randall's and dot the

3275
02:25:17,390 --> 02:25:13,891
original the original research into

3276
02:25:20,571 --> 02:25:17,400
Rendlesham going back to right after the

3277
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:20,581
event actually this would have been

3278
02:25:25,730 --> 02:25:22,650
eighty-four eighty-five

3279
02:25:28,571 --> 02:25:25,740
she says night one when John witnessed a

3280
02:25:32,841 --> 02:25:28,581
phenomena with Jim Penniston and Edie

3281
02:25:35,150 --> 02:25:32,851
cabin sag after whatever it was took off

3282
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:35,160
they went and searched for it towards

3283
02:25:39,951 --> 02:25:37,530
the coast and their pursuit terminated

3284
02:25:43,220 --> 02:25:39,961
on a hill overlooking the estuary toward

3285
02:25:45,491 --> 02:25:43,230
the coast and they could be and they

3286
02:25:48,980 --> 02:25:45,501
could see the beacon of the Orford

3287
02:25:52,310 --> 02:25:48,990
Orford ness lighthouse that Hill is

3288
02:25:55,011 --> 02:25:52,320
called Beryl Hill can you ask John if he

3289
02:25:58,341 --> 02:25:55,021
can remember being there with Edie cabin

3290
02:26:03,020 --> 02:25:58,351
sag and Jim Penniston or had they become

3291
02:26:05,991 --> 02:26:03,030
separated okay that's a great question

3292
02:26:07,911 --> 02:26:06,001
because yes we ended up on the hill

3293
02:26:10,821 --> 02:26:07,921
omits in my statement it's an ED

3294
02:26:13,671 --> 02:26:10,831
statement we got to the hill and could

3295
02:26:16,791 --> 02:26:13,681
see the coast that's when we could see

3296
02:26:18,350 --> 02:26:16,801
the lighthouse okay and the interesting

3297
02:26:21,621 --> 02:26:18,360
thing was when I want to just back to

3298
02:26:23,661 --> 02:26:21,631
this in May I went back to that area and

3299
02:26:25,491 --> 02:26:23,671
it's quite a ways it's quite the hike

3300
02:26:28,491 --> 02:26:25,501
out there and it's through rough terrain

3301
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:28,501
and it's just hard to explain how we got

3302
02:26:33,321 --> 02:26:30,690
out there and back in the time frame but

3303
02:26:35,149 --> 02:26:33,331
yeah I once I got there and I looked out

3304
02:26:40,669 --> 02:26:35,159
that was it that was the memory

3305
02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:40,679
where we ended up and um so and yeah all

3306
02:26:46,519 --> 02:26:42,329
three of us were together when we got

3307
02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:46,529
there she also references the part about

3308
02:26:50,689 --> 02:26:49,890
you stumbling into the stream she asked

3309
02:26:54,260 --> 02:26:50,699
the question a little bit differently

3310
02:26:55,609 --> 02:26:54,270
it's kind of funny that these that there

3311
02:26:57,079 --> 02:26:55,619
are so many people interested in this

3312
02:26:59,689 --> 02:26:57,089
but the question is can John remember

3313
02:27:02,749 --> 02:26:59,699
was it nearer the field or was that the

3314
02:27:04,159 --> 02:27:02,759
hill where the stream was well that's

3315
02:27:05,419 --> 02:27:04,169
the thing when we backtracked all this

3316
02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:05,429
there's different areas where we could

3317
02:27:11,689 --> 02:27:07,520
have got wet but I honestly do not know

3318
02:27:13,579 --> 02:27:11,699
where we exactly if what what what we

3319
02:27:16,309 --> 02:27:13,589
stumbled into and to be honest with you

3320
02:27:17,989 --> 02:27:16,319
for us to get from where we were today

3321
02:27:20,359 --> 02:27:17,999
we would have had to cross more than one

3322
02:27:22,789 --> 02:27:20,369
of them and that was one of the things

3323
02:27:25,669 --> 02:27:22,799
that came out under my hypnosis when we

3324
02:27:28,579 --> 02:27:25,679
were coming back we it was like how did

3325
02:27:31,249 --> 02:27:28,589
we get here and I don't remember this

3326
02:27:34,849 --> 02:27:31,259
going out there so what really did

3327
02:27:37,999 --> 02:27:34,859
happen so that is a big question and a

3328
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:38,009
mystery to all this did you see the

3329
02:27:44,749 --> 02:27:40,409
beams of light that were going into the

3330
02:27:47,239 --> 02:27:44,759
weapons storage area the third night

3331
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:47,249
with Hall when we first met with him he

3332
02:27:51,260 --> 02:27:48,810
pointed out to some lights that you

3333
02:27:54,859 --> 02:27:51,270
could see blue lights in the sky and one

3334
02:27:58,429 --> 02:27:54,869
of them was over the area of the weapons

3335
02:28:00,649 --> 02:27:58,439
storage area at that point and what I

3336
02:28:02,179 --> 02:28:00,659
mean by is I can't tell you exactly if

3337
02:28:05,179 --> 02:28:02,189
it was over it but it was in that

3338
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:05,189
vicinity and at one point yes a beam a

3339
02:28:10,099 --> 02:28:07,369
light did come down towards the ground

3340
02:28:13,099 --> 02:28:10,109
towards that facility yes in that

3341
02:28:15,859 --> 02:28:13,109
general location yes did you hear any

3342
02:28:18,169 --> 02:28:15,869
again I'm just reading as the questions

3343
02:28:21,050 --> 02:28:18,179
are written did you hear any scuttlebutt

3344
02:28:23,809 --> 02:28:21,060
on the results of the said beam on the

3345
02:28:26,149 --> 02:28:23,819
store the contents I didn't hear that

3346
02:28:28,699 --> 02:28:26,159
tilt in the 90s when a halt came out and

3347
02:28:30,439 --> 02:28:28,709
said that that there was damage to one

3348
02:28:32,059 --> 02:28:30,449
of the bunkers and that some of the

3349
02:28:34,969 --> 02:28:32,069
codes were altered doing the weapons

3350
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:34,979
that were inside the bunkers so no not

3351
02:28:39,979 --> 02:28:37,770
immediately afterwards but I do know

3352
02:28:43,039 --> 02:28:39,989
that c5 came in and they do know it went

3353
02:28:45,289 --> 02:28:43,049
back in that area and I and I did find

3354
02:28:47,389 --> 02:28:45,299
out also that from Hall and there was a

3355
02:28:48,099 --> 02:28:47,399
major to came forward Robert Hastings it

3356
02:28:49,389 --> 02:28:48,109
said

3357
02:28:51,309 --> 02:28:49,399
some of the ordinance was removed

3358
02:28:54,219 --> 02:28:51,319
because it was damaged I don't know if

3359
02:28:56,699 --> 02:28:54,229
it was on this program or if it was

3360
02:28:59,559 --> 02:28:56,709
during the conversation that I had with

3361
02:29:02,139 --> 02:28:59,569
Colonel halt but I know that he said to

3362
02:29:05,619 --> 02:29:02,149
me it may have been on the air I know

3363
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:05,629
that he said to me that there was a

3364
02:29:12,010 --> 02:29:09,680
craft a UFO that was definitely alien

3365
02:29:14,380 --> 02:29:12,020
that was over the weapons storage unit

3366
02:29:17,050 --> 02:29:14,390
that was shining beams of light down on

3367
02:29:18,939 --> 02:29:17,060
to the storage units so I don't know if

3368
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:18,949
he said it publicly out there if he said

3369
02:29:23,559 --> 02:29:21,050
it on the show but he definitely said it

3370
02:29:25,420 --> 02:29:23,569
to me well no he's talked about that and

3371
02:29:27,489 --> 02:29:25,430
he actually did a conference they did at

3372
02:29:30,119 --> 02:29:27,499
the Press Club Hastings did one about

3373
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:30,129
nuclear weapons and you know different

3374
02:29:34,869 --> 02:29:32,720
armament that was affected by UFOs

3375
02:29:36,849 --> 02:29:34,879
and from what I understand and this is

3376
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:36,859
hearsay so take it for what you want

3377
02:29:40,569 --> 02:29:38,720
right that after that conference some of

3378
02:29:41,949 --> 02:29:40,579
the people including hall got amana

3379
02:29:45,639 --> 02:29:41,959
shhhht for some of what they were

3380
02:29:47,649 --> 02:29:45,649
talking about and and since then Hall

3381
02:29:50,170 --> 02:29:47,659
has walked back a little bit of what he

3382
02:29:52,269 --> 02:29:50,180
said to Hastings and he said publicly

3383
02:29:55,359 --> 02:29:52,279
before he hasn't been as open or

3384
02:29:58,569 --> 02:29:55,369
forthright with you know that that part

3385
02:30:00,340 --> 02:29:58,579
of it as much he got angry with me on

3386
02:30:05,500 --> 02:30:00,350
the phone when I pressed him on the

3387
02:30:09,279 --> 02:30:05,510
nuclear issue I mean I mean it was there

3388
02:30:11,769 --> 02:30:09,289
was some language that went down so I I

3389
02:30:13,630 --> 02:30:11,779
pressed him on it he absolutely said

3390
02:30:16,750 --> 02:30:13,640
there was no nuclear weapons there and

3391
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:16,760
and it was it got really bad it got

3392
02:30:21,639 --> 02:30:20,329
really bad so now okay let's let's

3393
02:30:24,729 --> 02:30:21,649
continue I want to get all of these out

3394
02:30:27,819 --> 02:30:24,739
has your son had any contact or

3395
02:30:31,149 --> 02:30:27,829
experiences okay that's an interesting

3396
02:30:35,739 --> 02:30:31,159
thing to say because when we lived in

3397
02:30:38,649 --> 02:30:35,749
Sedona okay we had something strange

3398
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:38,659
happened that I I don't know how to

3399
02:30:45,340 --> 02:30:40,010
explain another than just our brief

3400
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:45,350
summarize I've had some Hopi people some

3401
02:30:52,569 --> 02:30:48,770
Hopi people within the tribe you know

3402
02:30:55,149 --> 02:30:52,579
including an elder reached out to me was

3403
02:30:56,739 --> 02:30:55,159
brought up to Hopi I was allowed to see

3404
02:31:00,700 --> 02:30:56,749
some of their dances in their heritage

3405
02:31:03,430 --> 02:31:00,710
go to the rock um was

3406
02:31:04,750 --> 02:31:03,440
I had a blue Kachina dancer approached

3407
02:31:10,990 --> 02:31:04,760
me

3408
02:31:12,700 --> 02:31:11,000
got back from up there on the elder told

3409
02:31:14,620 --> 02:31:12,710
me to do it and he actually called me

3410
02:31:15,970 --> 02:31:14,630
back up to confirm it and I hadn't done

3411
02:31:19,091 --> 02:31:15,980
it yet so went out and buried in the

3412
02:31:22,900 --> 02:31:19,101
backyard and there was some orbs and

3413
02:31:24,490 --> 02:31:22,910
stuff I can't explain it but in his room

3414
02:31:26,530 --> 02:31:24,500
he yelled and screamed at me shortly

3415
02:31:28,570 --> 02:31:26,540
after I came back in was in the house

3416
02:31:29,950 --> 02:31:28,580
doing other stuff and I ran in the room

3417
02:31:32,650 --> 02:31:29,960
and there were some blue orbs in the

3418
02:31:35,770 --> 02:31:32,660
room and and at one point a red orb

3419
02:31:37,720 --> 02:31:35,780
started to come through the wall from

3420
02:31:39,190 --> 02:31:37,730
the outside and the blue orbs chased it

3421
02:31:42,730 --> 02:31:39,200
away and then they departed through the

3422
02:31:45,850 --> 02:31:42,740
wall or got you know what's a mache

3423
02:31:48,761 --> 02:31:45,860
something that like that out loud right

3424
02:31:51,310 --> 02:31:48,771
do you feel a little funny I mean it's a

3425
02:31:56,020 --> 02:31:51,320
crazy thing to admit to I've seen an orb

3426
02:31:58,750 --> 02:31:56,030
I've seen only one but they're real man

3427
02:32:01,511 --> 02:31:58,760
that's all I could say right and I can't

3428
02:32:04,210 --> 02:32:01,521
explain it I know then that it it

3429
02:32:09,430 --> 02:32:04,220
happened right after the route was was

3430
02:32:12,190 --> 02:32:09,440
buried and that then after that he was

3431
02:32:15,250 --> 02:32:12,200
the hope he took him up and treated him

3432
02:32:17,500 --> 02:32:15,260
like royalty and it was a whole unique

3433
02:32:20,920 --> 02:32:17,510
experience with that that took place

3434
02:32:23,470 --> 02:32:20,930
afterwards and so that is something to

3435
02:32:25,960 --> 02:32:23,480
happen for real and what to totally make

3436
02:32:27,790 --> 02:32:25,970
of it I'm not sure you know and there

3437
02:32:29,950 --> 02:32:27,800
was one other event that happened to me

3438
02:32:32,980 --> 02:32:29,960
while I was in Sedona two that it's hard

3439
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:32,990
to explain but I don't know what it was

3440
02:32:39,970 --> 02:32:36,110
and I don't know what these blue lights

3441
02:32:46,690 --> 02:32:39,980
were like John did you eat any of that

3442
02:32:48,341 --> 02:32:46,700
root and come on tell me no III can't I

3443
02:32:51,070 --> 02:32:48,351
there's things that have happened to me

3444
02:32:52,330 --> 02:32:51,080
that just I I'm not gonna if I'm asked

3445
02:32:54,011 --> 02:32:52,340
I'll tell you but I'm not gonna go

3446
02:32:55,810 --> 02:32:54,021
around talking about it all the time but

3447
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:55,820
there are some strange things that have

3448
02:33:00,130 --> 02:32:57,680
taken place I know I can't explain you

3449
02:33:02,261 --> 02:33:00,140
know I'm okay with it now I used to be

3450
02:33:05,261 --> 02:33:02,271
you know I used to hold it in

3451
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:05,271
you know I that's it I just I just spew

3452
02:33:08,860 --> 02:33:07,040
it now that there's nothing else that

3453
02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:08,870
could be done this this next question is

3454
02:33:13,660 --> 02:33:11,690
a great one also from Brenda Butler I'm

3455
02:33:14,110 --> 02:33:13,670
wondering where she's going with this

3456
02:33:17,020 --> 02:33:14,120
and

3457
02:33:20,620 --> 02:33:17,030
sure that you have the answer in either

3458
02:33:23,230 --> 02:33:20,630
night that John was involved can he

3459
02:33:25,870 --> 02:33:23,240
remember seeing any cattle in the

3460
02:33:29,710 --> 02:33:25,880
farmer's field that some nowadays call

3461
02:33:33,551 --> 02:33:29,720
Capel green the only thing on the first

3462
02:33:35,740 --> 02:33:33,561
night was that we could hear the the the

3463
02:33:37,690 --> 02:33:35,750
wildlife and the farm animals and it

3464
02:33:40,180 --> 02:33:37,700
appeared to sound like cows that they

3465
02:33:42,250 --> 02:33:40,190
went crazy at one point when we were in

3466
02:33:44,620 --> 02:33:42,260
the force this is before we got into the

3467
02:33:46,900 --> 02:33:44,630
field itself and went forward but I

3468
02:33:48,670 --> 02:33:46,910
don't remember seeing any cattle but you

3469
02:33:50,620 --> 02:33:48,680
could hear them that was the first night

3470
02:33:52,301 --> 02:33:50,630
what about the third night no not the

3471
02:33:55,020 --> 02:33:52,311
third night I don't remember any kind of

3472
02:33:57,460 --> 02:33:55,030
but halt did mention it that that the

3473
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:57,470
barnyard animals were going crazy in his

3474
02:34:03,040 --> 02:33:59,840
date now why do you think Brenda would

3475
02:34:05,170 --> 02:34:03,050
ask if you saw cattle the reports of the

3476
02:34:05,860 --> 02:34:05,180
the loud animals that's that's been out

3477
02:34:07,810 --> 02:34:05,870
there forever

3478
02:34:10,660 --> 02:34:07,820
right that's what I recommended but what

3479
02:34:12,460 --> 02:34:10,670
about seeing cattle what does a Brenda I

3480
02:34:14,170 --> 02:34:12,470
don't know you'd have to ask her I don't

3481
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:14,180
know yeah very interesting very

3482
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:18,290
interesting okay let's see what else do

3483
02:34:27,790 --> 02:34:25,130
I have here just going up that was your

3484
02:34:30,370 --> 02:34:27,800
did you say this is the question direct

3485
02:34:33,370 --> 02:34:30,380
did you say that your wife was adopted -

3486
02:34:36,280 --> 02:34:33,380
no no my wife's not adopted that's why I

3487
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:36,290
asked for the the check on myself and

3488
02:34:41,440 --> 02:34:39,200
then to see when my son Terrace was was

3489
02:34:44,860 --> 02:34:41,450
because my wife knows her family tree in

3490
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:44,870
background or my ex-wife knows it but I

3491
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:46,940
didn't know mine so that's what my son

3492
02:34:51,070 --> 02:34:49,130
was actually asking questions about that

3493
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:51,080
had nothing to do with any of this he

3494
02:34:56,051 --> 02:34:53,930
just wanted to know he knew his mother's

3495
02:34:58,120 --> 02:34:56,061
side but he wanted to know my side so I

3496
02:35:00,190 --> 02:34:58,130
figured well if I'm going to give him

3497
02:35:03,250 --> 02:35:00,200
this for the study let's see it though

3498
02:35:04,900 --> 02:35:03,260
at least you know do a check on him and

3499
02:35:07,740 --> 02:35:04,910
I and they did and that's what came back

3500
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:07,750
were you ever bound by a non-disclosure

3501
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:09,040
agreement

3502
02:35:19,150 --> 02:35:15,530
um not till recently say what okay okay

3503
02:35:20,950 --> 02:35:19,160
explain I can't say much I just I'm

3504
02:35:23,410 --> 02:35:20,960
under non-disclosure for a couple things

3505
02:35:26,110 --> 02:35:23,420
right now that I can't talk about until

3506
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:26,120
after it becomes public through some of

3507
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:27,530
the work that's going on

3508
02:35:34,750 --> 02:35:31,930
so but early on no I was never tied to a

3509
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:34,760
non-disclosure per se other than two

3510
02:35:40,540 --> 02:35:37,850
things number one what was the resources

3511
02:35:43,450 --> 02:35:40,550
and some of the things at the base and

3512
02:35:47,020 --> 02:35:43,460
that I still can't talk about and number

3513
02:35:49,540 --> 02:35:47,030
two not signed it but was was told not

3514
02:35:52,270 --> 02:35:49,550
to talk about it until I got clearance

3515
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:52,280
from the Pentagon when the news of the

3516
02:35:56,170 --> 02:35:54,290
world hit stands that I was actually

3517
02:35:59,980 --> 02:35:56,180
given permission to talk about the

3518
02:36:04,900 --> 02:35:59,990
incident now this is a question that

3519
02:36:07,570 --> 02:36:04,910
happened tonight in real time and it is

3520
02:36:11,050 --> 02:36:07,580
about Nick Pope tonight Nick Pope was on

3521
02:36:13,330 --> 02:36:11,060
Fox News were you aware of that he was

3522
02:36:15,580 --> 02:36:13,340
on once again with Tucker Carlson yeah

3523
02:36:17,260 --> 02:36:15,590
I've seen some of his summers

3524
02:36:18,700 --> 02:36:17,270
appearances but I didn't know about

3525
02:36:21,010 --> 02:36:18,710
tonight know I was doing this show

3526
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:21,020
earlier tonight that we were pre taping

3527
02:36:25,420 --> 02:36:22,880
so I don't know what Nick said tonight

3528
02:36:28,180 --> 02:36:25,430
okay the question is does John Burroughs

3529
02:36:30,370 --> 02:36:28,190
know of a breaking announcement by Nick

3530
02:36:39,210 --> 02:36:30,380
Pope on Fox News tonight regarding a

3531
02:36:42,280 --> 02:36:39,220
FOIA document verification estimates

3532
02:36:45,400 --> 02:36:42,290
yeah no I'm well aware of that

3533
02:36:47,380 --> 02:36:45,410
in fact this backstory is that George

3534
02:36:50,350 --> 02:36:47,390
Knapp released the initial stuff on the

3535
02:36:52,150 --> 02:36:50,360
DIA reports to Congress and Nick Pope

3536
02:36:54,460 --> 02:36:52,160
did a FOIA which he's one of the few

3537
02:36:56,890 --> 02:36:54,470
that's done this everybody else is still

3538
02:37:00,730 --> 02:36:56,900
chasing tic-tac and all this other stuff

3539
02:37:02,770 --> 02:37:00,740
and Nick said oh wait a minute we have a

3540
02:37:05,140 --> 02:37:02,780
Harry Reid letter we have all this stuff

3541
02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:05,150
and we had these di documents let's

3542
02:37:09,610 --> 02:37:06,890
confirm if this is real or not

3543
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:09,620
and that yeah it came back for you mitad

3544
02:37:14,590 --> 02:37:11,840
and and it even opened up some of the

3545
02:37:17,650 --> 02:37:14,600
documents that were not disclosed that

3546
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:17,660
were redacted in the the NAP stuff there

3547
02:37:21,550 --> 02:37:19,190
was a couple documents that now we're

3548
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:21,560
not redacted right so he got

3549
02:37:26,740 --> 02:37:24,560
confirmation from the DIA that yes there

3550
02:37:29,290 --> 02:37:26,750
were papers that they gave to Congress

3551
02:37:31,660 --> 02:37:29,300
to brief them on some of what's taking

3552
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:31,670
place John I want to thank you for being

3553
02:37:36,670 --> 02:37:34,370
so open and candid tonight I know that

3554
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:36,680
at times it could be difficult not only

3555
02:37:40,900 --> 02:37:40,640
to recount but to go over the story once

3556
02:37:59,470 --> 02:37:40,910
a

3557
02:38:01,720 --> 02:37:59,480
got it I got no I got the feeling in

3558
02:38:04,600 --> 02:38:01,730
about six months we've got to go back

3559
02:38:06,430 --> 02:38:04,610
and do it all again and and we will yeah

3560
02:38:08,650 --> 02:38:06,440
and and I want to tell the audience if

3561
02:38:10,091 --> 02:38:08,660
it's true and and I say true this

3562
02:38:12,131 --> 02:38:10,101
because this I don't control this

3563
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:12,141
there's going to be a nine part

3564
02:38:16,841 --> 02:38:14,450
documentary coming out sometime in the

3565
02:38:19,780 --> 02:38:16,851
near future not only on rentals from but

3566
02:38:21,490 --> 02:38:19,790
other events and stuff in it and some of

3567
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:21,500
the involvement with to the Stars

3568
02:38:25,631 --> 02:38:22,880
program and everything that's going to

3569
02:38:27,400 --> 02:38:25,641
come out in the next few months and yeah

3570
02:38:28,631 --> 02:38:27,410
you're right after that airs I think

3571
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:28,641
you're gonna want to probably talk more

3572
02:38:33,700 --> 02:38:31,760
about all this so thank you John be safe

3573
02:38:35,710 --> 02:38:33,710
take care of your health take care of

3574
02:38:38,110 --> 02:38:35,720
your family say hello to your mom for me

3575
02:38:40,690 --> 02:38:38,120
and enjoy the rest of your evening my

3576
02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:40,700
friend thank you so much thanks to John

3577
02:38:47,950 --> 02:38:45,710
Burroughs and of course kg RA Linda

3578
02:38:51,220 --> 02:38:47,960
Moulton Howe they're fabulous radio

3579
02:38:53,890 --> 02:38:51,230
program right here on KCRA and we took

3580
02:38:56,051 --> 02:38:53,900
it pulled up whole amazing conversation

3581
02:38:57,310 --> 02:38:56,061
thank you so much John let's get

3582
02:38:59,020 --> 02:38:57,320
straight to it fade to black so

3583
02:39:01,240 --> 02:38:59,030
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3584
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:01,250
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3585
02:39:04,841 --> 02:39:02,960
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02:39:11,410 --> 02:39:07,670
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02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:11,420
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02:39:22,660 --> 02:39:13,610
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02:39:24,551 --> 02:39:22,670
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3592
02:39:28,540 --> 02:39:26,630
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02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:28,550
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02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:30,650
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02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:32,930
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02:39:36,881 --> 02:39:35,120
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3597
02:39:41,080 --> 02:39:36,891
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3598
02:39:42,280 --> 02:39:41,090
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3599
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:42,290
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02:40:04,660 --> 02:39:45,610
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